We all need our gods because we exist in an insecure place, somewhere
between birth and death (what comes before, what comes after?),
between the infinitesimal and the infinite, and between humanity and
brutality. We don't know where we are and have always needed a god or
gods to guide and protect us.
Ed
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*From:* Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* 'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 8:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three
heroesdied inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY
Daily News
In Shamanism each individual is a part of the great mystery, the
Eternal Spirit breathed in with the first breath from the
Lifegiver. The mother is not the Breathgiver. In the search
for the choice of your God, your Ultimate Concern, the Center post
of your reality, It is not enough to think male or female and
often they are referred to as "they" and as
Grandfather/Grandmother. Lots of examples. Because the spirit
is eternal and is breath, the spirit chooses which family, people,
etc to live in. The Great Mystery which is eternal,
omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent manifests in the temporary
and dances a dance of life within us all. To a Christian, only
Jesus does that because only Jesus is the true Son of God but
Jesus said to his students, "So are we all sons of God." That
is what the Shaman says as they follow the drama in this "Field of
Plenty." We are all God acting out and we are not. There are
things that God discovers through us and that we cannot know as
actors on this plane of existence.
REH
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ed Weick
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 5:11 PM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three
heroes died inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY
Daily News
Ray, God became the "father" when early Christians, not being
accepted by the Jews from whom they emerged, had to sell
themselves to the broader world - a Greco-Roman world. Heroes and
great cult figures of that world -- think Hercules, Perseus, and
many others -- were typically produced by the union of a male god
and a mortal female. To be effective in the larger world, Christ,
a Jewish rebel against Rome and against many of the powers and
practices of Judaism, thus had to be converted into the "Son of God".
Ed
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Ray Harrell <mailto:[email protected]>
*To:*'RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION,EDUCATION'
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Monday, July 23, 2012 11:49 AM
*Subject:*Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three
heroes died inAurora taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY
Daily News
I think it is more about being loyal to the personal bonds
that they set up. The wealthy are true to their "culture" as
they put it but work hard to separate and individuate from
parents. For the non-pyscho analyzed poor, every woman is a
younger representative of a mother that has sacrificed for
them. I would add that the initial image of God is the
"other" in the perinatal universe and that's the mother as
well. Later it is transferred to the father and God becomes
male.
REH
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*D & N
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 10:27 AM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting:
Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their
girlfriends - NY Daily News
Perhaps the very life of a wealthy person (being brought up to
believe they are "better than" - and "more deserving of life
than") anyone else (including those of other wealthy families
- whether male or female) creates a sense of "self
preservation" which would not appear to themselves as acts of
cowardice. Whereas the poorer of societies have been
conditioned to "serve" and "sacrifice" (be thrust onto the
front lines of any battle the insane greed of wealth considers
important for their continuation of that wealth and power.
D.
On 23/07/2012 12:03 AM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Well thought out reply. However, would the lower class
men locked in the lower sections of the Titanic have given
their lives more readily for their women than the upper
class men who crowded the boats? In this case, one of
the people who protected his girl friend was military and
died. The other young man with his girl friend, both of
whom were studded and ear plugged with body piercings,
didn't look like he would have been cowardly. It also
stated that her brother, who survived, had thrown himself
over his girl friend and got her out of the theater.
Those people are generally pretty fearless and passionate
in a way that makes protecting their girl friends likely I
would say.
I agree with Keith about learning from the shooter but we
can also learn why the upper class would be more likely to
take a woman's place in the lifeboat while the lower class
would consider such a thing unacceptable. At least
that's my experience. My military experience was an
interesting situation considering such things. I would
say that it was a matter of "bonding" that made defense of
the helpless an ordinary living strategy. The
military works very hard to inculcate the idea of fighting
and protecting as the ordinary work of soldiers. The
term "extraordinary actions" become ordinary in the life
and work of a soldier. That would make me believe what I
read. REH
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf
Of *Keith Hudson
*Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2012 12:56 AM
*To:* RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION;
Arthur Cordell
*Subject:* Re: [Futurework] 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting:
Three heroes died in Aurora taking bullets for their
girlfriends - NY Daily News
Arthur,
My comment is that I strongly doubt the literal accuracy
of this news account. Men are more inclined to be heroic
in emergencies because males, intrinsically, are more
risk-taking than females. For example, in the Zeebrugge
ferry disaster in 1987 (in which 193 passengers and crew
died), I remember reading at the time that one young man,
in dangerous circumstances, helped many passengers to
escape from being trapped below. But the total weight of
evidence from many ship disasters over the years says that
men take to the lifeboats disproportionately to women and
children. There were examples of this, I believe, during
the Ttitanic sinking.
All stories of tragedies tend to get enhanced from the
word go. I can well imagine three young men throwing their
arms around their girl friends and then trying to flee
together or take cover. But if three of the six were to
die then it's only 8:1 against three men rather than girls
being hit.
Incidentally, I'm glad that the police didn't kill Holmes
at Aurora. As with Breivik's massacres a year ago in
Norway, and his arrest, we need to know a great deal more
about the early life stories of these men (usually social
isolates) to identify other potential misfits at as young
an age as possible in order to hopefully deflect their
development.
Keith
At 04:26 23/07/2012, you wrote:
Way off topic but sort of intriguing.
Arthur
To: '[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>'
Subject: FW: 'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes
died in Aurora
taking bullets for their girlfriends - NY Daily News
Interesting. The response of the male seems to be to
protect. Instinctive?
Who knows. Maybe Keith has an answer or would care to
comment.
Arthur
'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three heroes died in Aurora
taking bullets for
their girlfriends In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt
McQuinn and Alex
Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as
accused madman James
Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.
Read more:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395#ixzz21Oy21I65
http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeti
es-article-1.1119395
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Keith Hudson, Saltford, England
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