Mike,
As mentioned at the end of my reply to Keith, I was drawing attention to
the Al Qaeda/US associations of convenience and inconvenience, which is
conspiratorial in nature.
I have never believed, nor have I read nor seen anything one could call
incontrovertible evidence of Bin Laden's guilt. I agree with your point
below, and would add that I find it particularly annoying that all media
sources these days make the same presumption based on popular belief
derived from propaganda. The acceptance of this single fabrication gave
licence to all other lies around 9/11 and the two oil wars that followed.
*Natalia*
On 01/08/2012 10:24 PM, Mike Spencer wrote:
Natalia wrote:
Conspiracy theory debunkers-- cover your eyes.
Maybe I haven't been paying attention. After all, there's been
gigabytes of stuff written and said about 9/11 in the last decade,
much of it obviously totally crackpot in character. I haven't read
most of it and I haven't watched dozens (or hundreds) of hours of TV
"news" and punditry.
But remind me: just when was it conclusively established the bin Laden
was responsible for the attack? Immediately after the attack, he was
quoted in the press as saying [1]:
I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United
States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a
government within a government within the United States. The
United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these
attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the
present century a century of conflict between Islam and
Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who
carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in
control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the
United States. -- Osama bin Laden (Reported by BBC)
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September
attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to
avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor
do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other
humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing
harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a
practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.
-- Osama bin Laden (Sep 2001)
AFAIK, he never contradicted that position.
The usual rule is that the perpetrators of political violence, whether
terror, assassination or whatever, seek credit for the victory over the
hated foe.
So: was there ever anything conclusive that fingered ObL? Or is "ObL
done it" something that Everybody Knows [2] and I should just feel,
you know, humiliated and inadequate because I don't know it also?
- Mike
[1] I don't have exact references to cite. You can probably google key
phrases and find them.
[2] A case of epistemological engineering?
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