Many Shaman healers don't charge although the person brings a gift. The non-Indian thinks we do it out of love rather than as work. But the gift is a part of the healing. How the person needing the healing handles that is how much they want to be healed rather than to save a buck and get away cheaply. In the West it is about how much you can save. In other parts it is about the sacrifice that begins the healing. The press reported that the traditional people looking at the sweat lodge healing by the Non Indian at Sedona shook their heads about the huge fees. They said that they would be thinking not about the purpose but whether they were getting their money's worth. So rather than run out when the lodge turned toxic they stayed and died. It was not a gift but a payment for a service. Gifts are alive, payments are dead.
REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D & N Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 8:56 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] The future of great music Are you misinterpreting here? Or am I not being specific enough? "They swear that amateurs are better because they love it." Here, I assume you are calling alternative health practitioners amateurs. If the only professional health practitioner to you is one that has gone to "medical school" then .... what? Really. What has payment to do with anything? It used to be that one paid with whatever one could, be it coin, rutabagas, chickens, work in kind or prayers of thanks. Does it not all come down to the "system of coin" damaging the interactions of individuals, communities and societies? My point below is that "the placebo usually does as much healing as the pharmaceutical mendicant and sometimes more". The intention to heal, consciously taken generally has more positive effect than slapping a prescription in someone's hand; or if the herbalist convinces the patient that their concoction will help, it does; or if the priest convinces the parishioner that prayer will help, it does. Meaning that if the mind holding the illness can be convinced that something - no matter what - will help, it does. Change the mind. Change the "being". You can be ill or you can be healthy. Belief appears more and more in studies to be the key. It is that belief that puts us in "connection"; that joins us - to each other and to the energy that has Created. D. On 10/08/2012 10:37 AM, Ray Harrell wrote: D. I didn't say that the Shamans believe that they are better because of love, although love is the doorway to the connection, I said that the people who go to them with the same expectation as allopathic medicine ascribe a benefit to a lack of payment that is healing. They get something for nothing because the healer is healing out of love and not for money. It's a bastardization of the two systems and constitutes ignorance that makes balance impossible. Like the guys who charge for the big sweatlodges as if it were western science and the people who try to get cured for nothing. Who'se going to pay the requirement for the balance? Shamanic medicine is often holistically more expensive than Allopathic payments. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D & N Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 12:27 PM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION Subject: Re: [Futurework] The future of great music Not just love it. Their minds are directed toward healing the cause not analyzing the symptoms for continued treatment. And now, from research, we know that the mind has a far greater influence on the outcome of health than most external phenomena. So, caring, empathizing with someone may be just as viable a treatment as anything that has a concrete, physical mode because it changes the mind of the patient to one of a more positive outlook . D. On 09/08/2012 4:34 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: Yes I know people who go to Shamans rather than the hospital. They swear that amateurs are better because they love it. REH From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Keith Hudson Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:30 AM To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, , EDUCATION Subject: [Futurework] The future of great music In these days of the decline of professional orchestras and, more than likely, a long term economic depression in front of us, it's as well to remind ourselves that classical (that is, fully developed) music can still survive in good heart. A long term friend (and customer) of mine, the president of San Francisco Lyric Chorus, spent two years organizing a concert in which, Saturday last, one of the greatest choral works of all time was performed -- Berlioz's Requiem. It involved over 100 amateur orchestral players in San Francisco and a larger choir selected from over 30 others in the Bay area and further afield, including 40 singers from New York. The programme filled San Francisco's Davies Symphony Hall and the performance was described by the San Francisco Chronicle as the "Mega-Concert of the Year. Or Years." For those interested, a 1.5-minute snitch of the volunteer orchestra rehearsing Strauss' Sunrise from Also Sprach Zarathustra (performed in the first half of the concert) may be seen and heard here: <http://youtu.be/fS0RsMMvMqY> http://youtu.be/fS0RsMMvMqY Keith Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com <http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/> _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework _______________________________________________ Futurework mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
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