Ah. See? I had not heard of that incident. Now more sense comes to my
understanding of your words.
Interesting difference between cultures (or traditions). What is given
to the Shaman is of greater or lesser importance; greater or lesser use
- yes, whether physical or spiritual?. Whereas in the western system the
imaginary "money" is used and the % of one's income (of the "giver")
becomes the important thing. So, the "trials" where the placebos work as
well as the "medicines" may only be indicative of "imagined" or non-real
illness. Although there are those who consider that all illness is imagined.
If all illness is caused by "stress", then it is the imbalance created
by the blockages set in place by the stress that must be cleared .
Remove the stress and the blockage of energetic flow disappears and
health is returned. That would have worked better in history rather than
now with all the pollution man has created in his misguided endeavours
to garner physical wealth. It is sad the direction man has taken in the
name of "advancement". And worse still is that most people do not know
what it is they are missing for their health and well-being and seek it
in monetary terms.
D.
On 10/08/2012 7:59 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Many Shaman healers don't charge although the person brings a gift.
The non-Indian thinks we do it out of love rather than as work. But
the gift is a part of the healing. How the person needing the
healing handles that is how much they want to be healed rather than to
save a buck and get away cheaply. In the West it is about how much
you can save. In other parts it is about the sacrifice that begins
the healing. The press reported that the traditional people looking
at the sweat lodge healing by the Non Indian at Sedona shook their
heads about the huge fees. They said that they would be thinking not
about the purpose but whether they were getting their money's
worth. So rather than run out when the lodge turned toxic they
stayed and died. It was not a gift but a payment for a service.
Gifts are alive, payments are dead.
REH
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Are you misinterpreting here? Or am I not being specific enough? "They
swear that amateurs are better because they love it." Here, I assume
you are calling /alternative health practitioners/ amateurs. If the
only /professional/ health practitioner to you is one that has gone to
"medical school" then .... what? Really. What has payment to do with
anything? It used to be that one paid with whatever one could, be it
coin, rutabagas, chickens, work in kind or prayers of thanks. Does it
not all come down to the "system of coin" damaging the interactions of
individuals, communities and societies?
My point below is that "the placebo usually does as much healing as
the pharmaceutical mendicant and sometimes more". The /intention/ to
heal, consciously taken generally has more positive effect than
slapping a prescription in someone's hand; or if the herbalist
convinces the patient that their concoction will help, it does; or if
the priest convinces the parishioner that prayer will help, it does.
Meaning that if the mind holding the illness can be convinced that
something - no matter what - will help, it does. Change the mind.
Change the "being". You can /be/ ill or you can /be/ healthy. /Belief/
appears more and more in studies to be the key. It is that /belief/
that puts us in "connection"; that joins us - to each other and to the
energy that has Created.
D.
On 10/08/2012 10:37 AM, Ray Harrell wrote:
D.
I didn't say that the Shamans believe that they are better because
of love, although love is the doorway to the connection, I said
that the people who go to them with the same expectation as
allopathic medicine ascribe a benefit to a lack of payment that is
healing. They get something for nothing because the healer is
healing out of love and not for money. It's a bastardization of
the two systems and constitutes ignorance that makes balance
impossible. Like the guys who charge for the big sweatlodges as
if it were western science and the people who try to get cured for
nothing. Who'se going to pay the requirement for the
balance? Shamanic medicine is often holistically more expensive
than Allopathic payments.
REH
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Not just love it. Their minds are directed toward healing the
/cause/ not analyzing the /symptoms/ for continued treatment. And
now, from research, we know that the /mind/ has a far greater
influence on the outcome of health than most external phenomena.
So, caring, empathizing with someone may be just as viable a
treatment as anything that has a /concrete/, physical mode because
it changes the /mind/ of the patient to one of a more positive
outlook .
D.
On 09/08/2012 4:34 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Yes I know people who go to Shamans rather than the
hospital. They swear that amateurs are better because they
love it.
REH
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*Keith Hudson
*Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 10:30 AM
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*Subject:* [Futurework] The future of great music
In these days of the decline of professional orchestras and,
more than likely, a long term economic depression in front of
us, it's as well to remind ourselves that classical (that is,
fully developed) music can still survive in good heart. A long
term friend (and customer) of mine, the president of San
Francisco Lyric Chorus, spent two years organizing a concert
in which, Saturday last, one of the greatest choral works of
all time was performed -- Berlioz's Requiem. It involved over
100 amateur orchestral players in San Francisco and a larger
choir selected from over 30 others in the Bay area and further
afield, including 40 singers from New York. The programme
filled San Francisco's Davies Symphony Hall and the
performance was described by the San Francisco Chronicle as
the "Mega-Concert of the Year. Or Years."
For those interested, a 1.5-minute snitch of the volunteer
orchestra rehearsing Strauss' Sunrise from Also Sprach
Zarathustra (performed in the first half of the concert) may
be seen and heard here: http://youtu.be/fS0RsMMvMqY
Keith
Keith Hudson, Saltford, England http://allisstatus.wordpress.com
<http://allisstatus.wordpress.com/>
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