So Steve, are you saying that no one's responsible?
What about that pedophile murderer in Switzerland?
What about Stalin? Hitler? Andrew Jackson?
What goes around doesn't come around?
There is no Karma?
No cause and effect?
Just uncertainty?
That makes science a joke.
Do you mean that?
You also said:
....I have said for decades that uncertainty is my position.
But human perceptors are tuned to biological evolutionary results;
they are limited in range and scope, even with technological aids.
Reality is infinite until a boundary is evidenced.
Ignorance is infinite.
Making claims without evidence is infinite hubris or pure speculation.
(maybe, but no cigar) ;-)
Why do you think this is so special a thought?
Yes human perception is limited.
Yes it comes from growth and evolution.
Yes technology is embodied so it's limited as well.
No "reality" is not infinite but is a word.
We can't even think infinity, omnipresent, omniscience or without end.
We are limited. So?
What we try to symbolize is bigger than we can think and it may be without
end or not.
Ignorance is not infinite since it dies with us. Thank God.
The greatest hubris of all, is language where we claim to speak the truth.
But does that mean we should be mute?
Without relationship?
Dialogue?
I believe the answer is found in groups and in intelligent machines
projected from our psycho-physical reality so that we can interpret them.
Why would you care that you are immature if you are?
Maturity still comes
Why would you care that you are incompetent if you are?
Learning is filled with endorphins
and must have some meaning along with all of that pleasure.
Why would you care that your perceptions are limited
if opening them up is done
with the pleasure of
Music,
Art,
Dance,
Good food,
Beautiful flowers,
the Colors of Sunrise?
Why would you care that you are a child "in comparison"?
if you get to go to the party anyway?
It matters not that we are meager,
only that we help one another around our meagerness:
to perceive,
solve problems,
heal and
find meaning and
significance at times when it isn't obvious.
I left my home because people stopped me from my work
and threatened things that would make my life meaningless.
I found hope although I have no homeland.
Sometimes it means more to sleep on the ground than to experience the finest
mattress
but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't search for human quality
and help the world in our feeble fashion and
try with all of our being to walk in beauty.
At the end of this article is a lot of what I've learned as well.
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/09/06/condoleezza-rice-how-could-these-people-hate-
us-so-much/
REH
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Greed/power tail of the Bell Curve the buyers; genetics, epigenitics, luck
of place/time/parentage the 'answer' in my opinion.
Cheers,
Steve
On Sep 16, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
What sector bought it and what's the answer to their power?
REH
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Hard to do worse for the populace than the bought govt of the US.
Steve
On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, Ray Harrell wrote:
Is the point that even an Orangutang is capable of central planning?
REH
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We are exceptional mammals, but mammals.
Steve
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/130913_orangutans.htm
Orangutans found to plan, communicate future routes
Sept. 13, 2013
Courtesy of the University of Zurich
and <http://www.world-science.net/> World Science staff
Male orangutans plan their trav-el route up to a day in ad-vance and
com-mu-ni-cate it to oth-er orangutans, re-search in-di-cates.
An-thro-po-l-o-gists at the Uni-vers-ity of Zu-rich found that wild-living
orangutans make use of the plan-ning abil-ity to at-tract fe-males and
re-pel male ri-vals.
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A male orangutan (Courtesy U. of Zurich)
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For a long time it was thought that only hu-mans could an-ti-cipate fu-ture
ac-tions, whe-re-as an-i-mals are caught in the he-re-and-now.
But re-cent, clev-er ex-pe-ri-ments with great apes in zoos have shown that
they re-mem-ber past events and can plan for fu-ture needs.
The Uni-vers-ity of Zu-rich group in-ves-t-i-gated wheth-er wild apes al-so
have this skill. The re-search-ers fol-lowed the apes for years through the
thick trop-i-cal swamp-lands of Su-ma-tra.
Orangutans gen-er-ally roam the for-est alone, but they do main-tain
rela-t-ion-ships. Adult males some-times emit so-called "long calls," us-ing
their cheek pads to am-pli-fy sound like a meg-a-phone.
These calls tend have some-what op-po-site ef-fects on male and female
hear-ers. Females that hear a faint call tend to ap-proach. Non-dominant
ma-les, on the oth-er hand, hur-ry away if they hear the call com-ing at
them loud and clear.
To maximize this ef-fect, it "would make sense for the male to call in the
di-rec-tion of his fu-ture whe-re-a-bouts, if he al-ready knew about them,"
said re-searcher Ca-rel van Schaik of the uni-vers-ity. Con-sis-tent with
this idea, the team "ob-served that the males trav-eled for sev-er-al hours
in ap-prox-i-mately the same di-rec-tion as they had called."
In ex-treme cases, he added, long calls made around nest-ing time in the
eve-ning pre-dicted the trav-el di-rec-tion at better-than-chance rates
un-til the next eve-ning.
In ad-di-tion, the males of-ten an-nounced changes in trav-el di-rec-tion
with a new long call, the team found. And in the morn-ing, they found, the
oth-er orangutans re-acted cor-rectly to the long call of the pre-vi-ous
eve-ning, even if no new long call was emitted. "Our study makes it clear
that wild orangutans do not simply live in the here-and-now, but can
im-ag-ine a fu-ture and even an-nounce their plans. In this sense, then,
they have be-come a bit more like us," said van Schaik.
The find-ings are pub-lished in the Sept. 11 is-sue of the jour-nal PLoS
One.
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