My understanding: Morality is naturally selected, perhaps largely unconsciously, as is the behavior of wolf packs and other mammalian behavior. If the guidelines are faulty, they fail in the perpetuation of the species. Morality is consciously an evaluation done by humans which they normally ascribe to external absolutes. Most believe that their position is unquestionably correct. Yet many cultures disagree on some evaluations ( examples: women's rights, animal rights, ). If those are different "Social Domains" ( capitalized?) , then maybe I understand the term.
Luck of time, place, parentage/peers is a major factor in fine tuning within the Bell Curve of natural behavior. Psychopaths are at one end, and current studies indicate genetic and chemical drivers. Steve On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:50 AM, Ray Harrell wrote: > I reread what you wrote. From what you wrote, it all seems about moral > flaws and luck. Social Domains. That's what it seems to me you are > saying. If not then please tell me what you mean? I'm willing to listen. > If you don't mean luck and immoral greed/power, then tell me what you mean > and I will think on it.:>)) > > REH > > From: futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca > [mailto:futurework-boun...@lists.uwaterloo.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Kurtz > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:14 PM > To: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION > Subject: Re: [Futurework] <spamFilter -1.9 yellow> Re: Orangutans found to > plan, communicate future routes to plan, communicate future routes Orangutans > found to plan, communicate future routes to plan, communicate future routes > > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Ray Harrell wrote: > > > So Steve, are you saying that no one's responsible? > > I give up, Ray. You create stories that have no relation to what I write. > > > What about that pedophile murderer in Switzerland? > Huh? Society should do as other mammals do: take him out of the gene pool for > the benefit of the species. > > > What about Stalin? Hitler? Andrew Jackson? > What goes around doesn't come around? > There is no Karma? > No cause and effect? > Just uncertainty? > Uncertainty vs absolute certainty does not relate to weight of the evidence > given observation. I proceed according to my imperfect perceptions and > evaluations. I may be wrong in judging outcomes. But I do NOT proclaim > absolute justice, truth, beauty, precognition, etc. > > > That makes science a joke. > > huh? Science IS UNCERTAINTY. Every position/theory is contingent. > > Do you mean that? > > You also said: > > ....I have said for decades that uncertainty is my position. > > But human perceptors are tuned to biological evolutionary results; > > they are limited in range and scope, even with technological aids. > > Reality is infinite until a boundary is evidenced. > > Ignorance is infinite. > > Making claims without evidence is infinite hubris or pure speculation. > > (maybe, but no cigar) ;-) > > Why do you think this is so special a thought? > > That is your statement, not mine. It is my view of reality. > > Yes human perception is limited. > > Yes it comes from growth and evolution. > > Yes technology is embodied so it's limited as well. > > No "reality" is not infinite but is a word. > > Show us a boundary, and then you claim of finitude will trump me. > > > > We can't even think infinity, omnipresent, omniscience or without end. > > You....can't > > We are limited. So? > > So, that limits our statements about reality. > > > What we try to symbolize is bigger than we can think and it may be without > end or not. > > Key word: try. > > > > Ignorance is not infinite since it dies with us. > > Wrong in my position. > > > Thank God. > > Thank dog. > > > The greatest hubris of all, is language where we claim to speak the truth. > > That is your game. > > > But does that mean we should be mute? > > You attempt to force that position on al others, but not on yourself. > > > Without relationship? > Dialogue? > > The " other" is a social and biological necessity. We proceed interacting as > we cannot do otherwise as a species. Why do you put words into my mouth that > are your fiction? > > > I believe the answer is found in groups and in intelligent machines > projected from our psycho-physical reality so that we can interpret them. > > OK. But whatever the answer is to you is your evaluation, not an oracle. > > > Why would you care that you are immature if you are? > > At 68? ;-) Stop the ad hominem. > > > Maturity still comes > Why would you care that you are incompetent if you are? > > We are all incompetent at many things/actions -imperfect and mortal... > > > Learning is filled with endorphins > and must have some meaning along with all of that pleasure. > > Life is material; glad to hear you agree..sometimes! ;-) > > > Why would you care that your perceptions are limited > if opening them up is done > with the pleasure of > Music, > Art, > Dance, > Good food, > Beautiful flowers, > the Colors of Sunrise? > > Why would you care that you are a child "in comparison"? > if you get to go to the party anyway? > > It matters not that we are meager, > only that we help one another around our meagerness: > to perceive, > solve problems, > heal and > find meaning and > significance at times when it isn't obvious. > > I left my home because people stopped me from my work > and threatened things that would make my life meaningless. > I found hope although I have no homeland. > Sometimes it means more to sleep on the ground than to experience the finest > mattress > but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't search for human quality > and help the world in our feeble fashion and > try with all of our being to walk in beauty. > > Nothing between my last words and here in any way contradicts my position. > Life is a process. We each value it a bit differently. Nature puts boundaries > on us on Earth, and when we travel beyond it. But the boundary is our > relation to it; Reality is still likely boundless- as no external boundary is > known. > > Steve > > > (SNIP)
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