Ray wrote:

Selma you said:
 
It seems to me this whole discussion is about specialization and fragmentation as vs. 'wholeness', whether you all agree that there is such a thing as 'wholeness' for a community, or not.
 
Ray:
I suspect it is even more basic that the whole.   I think we are talking about particles and wave forms and those being in one can't imagine the other.    Wholeness is beyond the either/or.
 
Selma: Exactly. David Bohm's *Wholeness and the Implicate Order* is about this issue.
 
One thing the discussion suffers from IMHO, is that it is based on and either/or mentality. I have long believed that it is possible to have human communities in which there is specialization without fragmentation as long as the specialization is kept in context and treated the way we treat tools. There is absolutely no reason why, if some people are expert at some specialized task, their lives should be fragmented  in the way this is true in our society.
 
 
Ray:
I agree.    Would you talk a little more about "fragmentation."
 
Selma:
Our lives are fragmented in just about every way one can think of: we think in terms of the separation of body and soul; emotions and intellect; physical and psychological; individual and social.
 
To go into one example just a little bit: all human beings are born both male and female. Women and men have both male and female hormones and the differences within one sex in many ways are more profound that the differences between the two sexes. When women fragment the maleness in them from the rest of their being and when men fragment the femaleness in them from the rest of who they are we end up with an inability to know ourselves or each other because we are alienated from a piece of ourselves.
 
I could give examples like this in every area of our lives, from the way we separate ourselves from nature to the way we put aesthetics in one box and rationality in another, etc. etc.
 
David Bohm says it so much better than I ever could that I am going to take just one quote from his book that I mentioned above; this is from the first chapter which is entitled 'Fragmentation and Wholeness' 
 
"The title of this chapter is 'Fragmentation and Wholeness'. it is especially important to consider this question today, for fragmentation is now very widespread, not only throughout society, but also in each individual; and this is leading to a kind of general confusion of the mind, which creates an endless series of problems and interferes with our clarity of perception so seriously as to prevent us from being able to solve most of them.
 
Thus art, science, technology, and human work in general, are divided up into specialties, each considered to be separate in essence from the others. Becoming dissatisfied with this state of affairs, men(sic) have set up further interdisciplinary subjects, which were intended to unite these specialties, but these new subjects have ultimately served mainly to add further separate fragments. Then, society as a whole has developed in such a way that it is broken up into separate nations and different religious, political, economic, racial groups, etc. Man's natural environment has correspondingly been seen as an aggregate of separately existent parts, to be exploited by different groups of people. Similarly, each individual human being has been fragmented into a large number of separate and conflicting compartments, according to his different desires, aims, ambitions, loyalties, psychological characteristics, etc., to such an extent that it is generally accepted that some degree of neurosis is inevitable, while many individuals going beyond the 'normal' limits of fragmentation are classified as paranoid, schizoid, psychotic, etc.
 
The notion that all these fragments are separately existent is evidently an illusion, and this illusion cannot do other than lead to endless conflict and confusion. Indeed, the attempt to live  according to the notion that the fragments are really separate is, in essence, what has led to the growing series of extremely urgent crises that is confronting us today. Thus, as is now well known, this way of life has brought about pollution, destruction of the balance of nature, over-population, world-wide economic and political disorder, and the creation of an overall environment that is neither physically nor mentally healthy for most of the people  who have to live in it, Individually there has developed a widespread feeling of helplessness and despair, in the face of what seeems to be an overwhelming mass of disparate social forces going beyond the control and even the comprehension of the human beings who are caught up in it.
 
Indeed, to some extent, it has always been both necessary and proper for man, in his thinking, to divide things up, and to separate them, so as to reduce his problems to manageable proportions, for evidently, if in our practical technical work we tried to deal with the whole of reality all at once, we would be swamped . So, in certain ways, the creation of special subjects of study and the division of labour was an important step forward. Even earlier, man's first realization that he was not identical with nature was also a crucial step, because it made possible a kind of autonomy in his thinking, which allowed him to go beyond the immediately  given limits of nature, first in his imagination and ultimately in his practical work.
 
Nevertheless, this sort of ability of man to separate himself from his environment and to divide and apportion things ultimately led to a wide range of negative and destructive results, because man lost awareness of what he was doing and thus extended the process of division beyond the limits with which it works properly. In essence the process of division is a way of thinking about things that is useful mainly in the domain of practical, technical and functional activities (e.g., to divide up  an area of land into different fields where various crops are to be grown). However, when this mode of thought is applied more broadly to man's notion of himself and the whole world in which he lives (i.e.,to his self-world view), then man ceases to regard the resulting divisions as mereley useful or convenient and begins to see and experience  himself and his world as actually constituted of separately existent fragments. Being guided by a fragmentary self-world view, man(sic) then acts in such a way as to try to break himself and the world up so that it seems to correspond to his way of thinking. Man thus obtains an apparent proof of the correctness of his fragmentary self-world view although, of course, he overlooks the fact that it is he himself(sic), acting according to his mode of thought, who has brought about the fragmentation that now seems to have an autonomous existence, independent of his will and of his desire.
 
Men(sic) have been aware from time immemorial of this state of apparently autonomously existent fragmentation and have often projected myths of a yet earlier 'golden age' , before the split between man and nature and between man and man had yet taken place. Indeed, man has always been seeking wholeness-mental, physical, social, individual."
 
*Wholeness and the Implicate Order* by David Bohm
(London and New York: Routledge, 1980) pp 1,2.
 
Keep in mind that Bohm is a physicist. He goes on to discuss the physical world and the way in which it is a whole.
 
 
 
Note: I refrained from putting a 'sic' in front of every incorrect reference to the human race as constituted entirely by men. However, I do believe it is important to be aware of that error.
 
Selma

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