Re: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on Tar C reek)

[wbward]

Harry,   You wrote:           they have forgotten why welfare is needed.   Now the next thing you are going to tell us is that Capitalism loves unemployment as a hedge against wage inflation [:>)}.   Bill   On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 21:07:18 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I admit that I am a welfare state idealogue.  With the collapse of > religion, > the family, respect for government, etc., social cohesion is in > tatters. > Perhaps cross-subsidization with rights and obligations might be of > help. > > Maybe not. > > arthur > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harry Pollard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:26 PM > To: Cordell, Arthur: ECOM; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Futurework] Exit ramp for Europe (collateral damage on > Tar > C reek) > > > Arthur, > > People have been exchanging with each other since the beginning of > time. > They have also been taking care of the unfortunate since the > beginning. > > These are quite natural things for humans to do > > So, how can there be a "free market idealogue"? > > It's rather like suggesting that someone who advocates deep > breathing of > air is an "oxygen ideologue". > > However, there is such a thing as a "welfare state ideologue". For > the > welfare state is a contrivance of people who surely can be described > as > "welfare state ideologues". > > There is no merit in a welfare state. It is a gesture of defeat. The > people > produce. Much of the production is stolen from them. The thieves are > taxed > on their loot. The proceeds of taxation are in part given back to > people, > and the welfare ideologues take credit. > > For what? While they play with the meritless welfare state, they > have > forgotten why welfare is needed. And as they are ideologues, they > will > never turn from doing the wrong thing in preference to the right > thing. > > Harry > ---------------------------------------- > > Arthur wrote: > > >What I meant to say is that free market idealogues suddenly see > merit in a > >welfare state: Looking down that barrel helps them to think more > "clearly." > >Survival is suddenly about trade offs and the trade offs look > reasonable. > >Enlightened self-interest. > > > >arthur > > **************************************************** > Harry Pollard > Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles > Box 655   Tujunga   CA   91042 > Tel: (818) 352-4141  --  Fax: (818) 353-2242 > http://home.attbi.com/~haledward > **************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Futurework mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://scribe.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework > >