Ray,

Arabic and Hebrew are verbal languages and have very different
implications as a result. What is funny now is that English is having to
use nouns as verbs, viz.  I will access it.

Bill

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:39:07 -0400 "Ray Evans Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Actually we should just give up this noun dominated language that 
> puts
> people into objects and makes it impossible to define change and 
> growth in
> humanity.   English is out of date and regressive and that is the 
> problem
> with America.    What type of language is Chinese?     With the kind 
> of
> over-simplified drivel that I see here one should remember that the 
> largest
> heads on the planet are the Osage and the Dinke.  Both nomadic 
> peoples who
> do very well when forced to settle down.   I'm beginning to think 
> Keith and
> Harry long for a rise in phrenology.   Is that true boys.    What 
> did such
> "studies" in was finding that certain minorities in the world were 
> much more
> physically endowed than the testors and immediately the science 
> shriveled.
> Perhaps that is not all that shriveled in the process.
> 
> REH
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Hudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Harry Pollard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Selma Singer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Futurework] ) Hue and Cry on 'Whiteness Studies'
> 
> 
> > Harry,
> >
> > I think you're being much too cynical. I don't see why American 
> state
> > universities shouldn't adopt affirmative action in the case of
> > Black-Americans. But if they do, they ought also to adopt negative 
> action
> > in the case of Asian-Americans. The universities could then have a 
> level
> > playing field for black, white or yellow.
> >
> > There's actually a quite simple method that would achieve fair 
> results
> > without having to devise arbitrary points systems which compensate 
> for
> poor
> > reading and writing ability. SATS results could be multiplied 
> inversely
> > according to average racial IQs (or according to brain size). Thus 
> all
> > Black-Americans' SATS score could be multiplied by 100/85, and
> > Asian-Americans' by 100/106 (or by 1347/1267 and 1347/1364 
> respectively by
> > using brain size).
> >
> > I think some sort of adjustment should also be applied in the case 
> of
> > prosecutory zeal by the police and prison sentencing by the 
> courts. In
> > England we have tens of thousands of West Indian and African-born 
> UK
> > citizens in jail, but only a few hundred Indian and Pakistani UK 
> citizens
> > and, disgracefully, no more than half-a-dozen Chinese-UK 
> citizens.
> >
> > Incidentally, here's a little story from my better-half. She 
> taught in one
> > of the "worst" schools in Bristol for over 20 years.  She reckons 
> that
> > there were only two sorts of children who never caused any trouble 
> (and
> > were also consistently among the brightest). These were the 
> children of
> the
> > fairground travellers and the Chinese.
> >
> > Keith Hudson
> >
> > At 21:19 24/06/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> > >Selma,
> > >
> > >This is just part of the absolute nonsense that surrounds 
> unimportant
> > >differences in complexion. How these people in universities can 
> waste
> > >their time on this is beyond belief.
> > >
> > >Academe would be put to better use if they taught their students
> plumbing,
> > >or something else equally useful.
> > >
> > >Harry
> > >----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Selma wrote:
> > >
> > >>It is my not so humble opinion that this kind of thing is 
> absolutely
> > >>essential if we are ever to honestly confront the issues of race 
> in this
> > >>country.
> > >>
> > >>Selma
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Hue and Cry on 'Whiteness Studies'
> > >> > An Academic Field's Take on Race Stirs Interest and Anger
> > >> > By Darryl Fears
> > >> >
> > >> > Washington Post
> > >> > Friday, June 20, 2003; Page A01
> > >> >
> > >> > AMHERST, Mass. -- Naomi Cairns was among the leaders in the 
> privilege
> > >>walk, and
> > >> > she wasn't happy about it.
> > >> >
> > >> > The exercise, which recently involved Cairns and her 
> classmates in a
> > >>course at
> > >> > the University of Massachusetts, had two simple rules: When 
> the
> moderator
> > >>read
> > >> > a
> > >> > statement that applied to you, you stepped forward; if it 
> didn't, you
> > >>stepped
> > >> > back. After the moderator asked if you were certain you could 
> get a
> bank
> > >>loan
> > >> > whenever you wanted, Cairns thought, "Oh my God, here we go 
> again,"
> and
> > >>took
> > >> > yet
> > >> > another step forward.
> > >> >
> > >> > "You looked behind you and became really uncomfortable," said 
> Cairns,
> a
> > >> > 24-year-old junior who stood at the front of the classroom 
> with other
> > >>white
> > >> > students. Asian and black students she admired were near the 
> back.
> "We all
> > >> > started together," she said, "and now were so separated."
> > >> >
> > >> > The privilege walk was part of a course in whiteness studies, 
> a
> > >> > controversial and relatively new academic field that seeks to 
> change
> how
> > >> > white people think about race. The field is based on a 
> left-leaning
> > >> > interpretation of history by scholars who say the concept of 
> race was
> > >> > created by a rich white European and American elite, and has 
> been
> used to
> > >> > deny property, power and status to nonwhite groups for two 
> centuries.
> > >> >
> > >> > Advocates of whiteness studies -- most of whom are white 
> liberals who
> hope
> > >> > to dismantle notions of race -- believe that white Americans 
> are so
> > >> > accustomed to being part of a privileged majority they do not 
> see
> > >>themselves as
> > >> > part of a race.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Historically, it has been common to see whites as a people 
> who don't
> have
> > >>a
> > >> > race, to see racial identity as something others have," said 
> Howard
> > >>Winant, a
> > >> > white professor of sociology at the University of California 
> at Santa
> > >>Barbara
> > >> > and a strong proponent of whiteness studies. "It's a great 
> advance to
> > >>start
> > >> > looking at whiteness as a group."
> > >> >
> > >> > Winant said whiteness studies advocates must be careful not 
> to paint
> white
> > >> > heritage with a broad brush, or stray from the historical 
> record.
> > >> > Generalizations, he said, will only demonize whiteness.
> > >> >
> > >> > But opponents say whiteness studies has already done that. 
> David
> Horowitz,
> > >>a
> > >> > conservative social critic who is white, said whiteness 
> studies is
> leftist
> > >> > philosophy spiraling out of control. "Black studies 
> celebrates
> blackness,
> > >> > Chicano studies celebrates Chicanos, women's studies 
> celebrates
> women, and
> > >> > white
> > >> > studies attacks white people as evil," Horowitz said.
> > >> >
> > >> > "It's so evil that one author has called for the abolition 
> of
> whiteness,"
> > >>he
> > >> > said. "I have read their books, and it's just despicable."
> > >> >
> > >> > Whiteness studies, said Matthew Spalding, is "a derogatory 
> name for
> > >>Western
> > >> > civilization." Its study is important only to those who think 
> "black
> > >>studies
> > >> > and
> > >> > Chicano studies haven't gone far enough in removing the 
> baggage of
> > >> > Anglo-European traditions," said Spalding, director of the 
> Center for
> > >>American
> > >> > Studies at the Heritage Foundation.
> > >> >
> > >> > "The notion that you can get rid of a historical tradition as 
> a way
> to
> > >> > further current . . . concerns strikes me as intellectually
> misleading,"
> > >> > Spalding said. "It makes certain assumptions and looks for 
> certain
> > >>outcomes.
> > >> > It's close-minded."
> > >> >
> > >> > Whiteness studies can be traced to the writings of black
> intellectuals
> > >>such as
> > >> > W.E.B. DuBois and James Baldwin, but the field did not 
> coalesce until
> > >>liberal
> > >> > white scholars embraced it about eight years ago, according 
> to some
> who
> > >>helped
> > >> > shape it.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, despite widespread criticism and what some opponents 
> view as
> major
> > >> > flaws in the curriculum, at least 30 institutions -- from 
> Princeton
> > >> > University to the University of California at Los Angeles -- 
> teach
> courses
> > >> > in whiteness studies.
> > >> >
> > >> > The courses are emerging at a pivotal time. Scientists have
> determined
> > >>that
> > >> > there is scant genetic distinction between races, and the 
> 2000 Census
> > >>allowed
> > >> > residents to define themselves by multiple racial categories 
> for the
> first
> > >> > time.
> > >> > Dozens of books, such as "The Invention of the White Race," 
> "How the
> Irish
> > >> > Became White" and "Memoir of a Race Traitor," are standard 
> reading
> for
> > >>people
> > >> > who study whiteness. Recently, the Public Broadcasting System 
> aired a
> > >> > documentary titled "Race: The Power of an Illusion."
> > >> >
> > >> > "If you ask 10 people what is race, you're likely to get 10 
> different
> > >> > answers," said Larry Adelman, who conceived, produced and 
> co-directed
> that
> > >> > documentary. "How many races would there be? Where did the 
> idea come
> > >>from?"
> > >> >
> > >> > At U-Mass., those questions and others were raised in "The 
> Social
> > >> > Construction of Whiteness and Women," one of two whiteness 
> studies
> courses
> > >> > Cairns took last semester.
> > >> > Read and Discuss
> > >> >
> > >> > The students, about three-quarters of them white, slid into 
> desks and
> > >> > unloaded giant book bags, which were stuffed with required 
> reading.
> The
> > >> > books included Theodore Allen's "The Invention of the White 
> Race:
> Racial
> > >> > Oppression and Social Control," which argues, in part, that 
> the
> collection
> > >> > of European immigrants into a white race was a political act 
> to
> control
> > >>the
> > >> > country.
> > >> >
> > >> > Arlene Avakian, the chairman of the U-Mass. women's studies
> department,
> > >>sat on
> > >> > a
> > >> > wide desk, let her legs dangle and asked the class to discuss 
> the
> ideas of
> > >> > racial privilege, environmental comfort and social control. 
> Not all
> of her
> > >> > students had taken part in the privilege walk -- it was 
> conducted in
> > >>another
> > >> > course -- but many of them had.
> > >> >
> > >> > Winnie Chen, 22, the daughter of Chinese immigrants, said it 
> pained
> her to
> > >> > deal with race every day when her white peers seemed to 
> rarely think
> about
> > >> > it. She tried to discuss race with a white friend once, she 
> said, but
> he
> > >> > felt ambushed.
> > >> >
> > >> > "He said I was pulling a Pearl Harbor on him," she said. "It 
> is so
> > >>difficult
> > >> > for
> > >> > them to think there is another lens. He talked about Irish
> oppression. I
> > >>asked,
> > >> > 'Have you ever considered why you're no longer oppressed here 
> when
> Asians,
> > >> > blacks and Hispanics still are?' "
> > >> >
> > >> > A white student raised her hand and said she and a friend had 
> gone to
> a
> > >>hall
> > >> > reserved for black student affairs, and the friend said she 
> didn't
> feel
> > >> > comfortable.
> > >> >
> > >> > Brandi-Ann Andrade, a 21-year-old junior who is black, rolled 
> her
> eyes.
> > >>"So
> > >> > what?" she asked. "I never feel comfortable here. I'm a 
> student at a
> > >>school
> > >> > where most people are white. The only time I feel comfortable 
> is when
> I'm
> > >>at
> > >> > home."
> > >> >
> > >> > Dan Clason-Hook, 24, a white senior, said, "White students 
> would
> never say
> > >> > that we own the campus, but [whites] feel they do."
> > >> >
> > >> > The desire to always feel comfortable in their skin is 
> something
> white
> > >> > people feel entitled to, said Avakian, who is white. The 
> dominant
> group
> > >> > wants to control its environment, to own it.
> > >> >
> > >> > The students listened without objection, but they don't 
> always.
> Avakian
> > >>said
> > >> > two
> > >> > students in an earlier semester had challenged her, 
> questioning why
> she
> > >>taught
> > >> > the course. After some discussion, Avakian recalled, they 
> concluded
> her
> > >>reason
> > >> > was white guilt.
> > >> >
> > >> > Avakian dismissed that conclusion. "It's the suppressed 
> history I'm
> > >> > interested in teaching," she said. "White people can't know 
> ourselves
> and
> > >> > our country without knowing this history."
> > >> >
> > >> > Although whiteness studies teachers adopt different 
> approaches for
> > >>different
> > >> > courses, they draw on the same reading of history.
> > >> >
> > >> > That reading traces the invention of race to the time and 
> social
> class of
> > >> > Thomas Jefferson, who wrote in the late 18th century not only 
> that
> "all
> > >>men are
> > >> > created equal" in the Declaration of Independence, but also 
> this,
> from his
> > >> > "Notes on the State of Virginia":
> > >> >
> > >> > "I advance it, as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether
> originally a
> > >> > distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, 
> are
> inferior to
> > >> > the whites in the endowments both of body and mind."
> > >> >
> > >> > >From such sentiments, whiteness studies advocates say, race 
> was
> invented,
> > >> > and the idea of white superiority was crucial to justifying 
> slavery
> and,
> > >> > later, the dispossession of Native Americans, Hispanics and 
> Asians.
> > >> >
> > >> > "Jefferson believed in majority rule, but what majority was 
> he in?"
> said
> > >> > historian James O. Horton of George Washington University. 
> "He wasn't
> in
> > >>the
> > >> > majority in terms of gender. He wasn't in the majority in 
> terms of
> class.
> > >>The
> > >> > only majority he was in was race."
> > >> >
> > >> > Horton said poor white workers often joined black slaves and 
> freemen
> in
> > >> > popular rebellions in the 18th century. For example, he said, 
> Crispus
> > >> > Attucks, a black man, was among the first to die when an 
> interracial
> mob
> > >> > confronted British soldiers in the "Boston Massacre," five 
> years
> before
> > >>the
> > >> > American Revolution started.
> > >> >
> > >> > But something happened between that time and Andrew 
> Jackson's
> presidency
> > >>in
> > >> > 1828, Horton said. "Property laws were struck down, allowing 
> white
> people
> > >>at
> > >> > the
> > >> > bottom of society to vote based on race in 1807. At the same 
> time
> that was
> > >> > done,
> > >> > race laws were put into its place.
> > >> >
> > >> > "There is this constant message hammered at poor white 
> people,"
> Horton
> > >>said.
> > >> > "You may be poor, you may have miserable lives right now, but 
> . . .
> the
> > >>thing
> > >> > we
> > >> > want you to focus on is the fact that you are white."
> > >> >
> > >> > In the 19th and 20th centuries, "race science" was used by 
> Supreme
> Court
> > >> > justices to deny rights, property and citizenship to various 
> Asian
> > >> > immigrants.
> > >> >
> > >> > In the housing boom that followed World War II, black 
> veterans were
> denied
> > >> > new federally backed mortgages that helped build white 
> suburbs.
> > >> >
> > >> > Avakian said that if American history curriculums "told that 
> story,
> this
> > >> > would be a different country."
> > >> >
> > >> > "Slavery and genocide coexist with democracy and freedom," 
> she said,
> and
> > >> > that's what whiteness studies teaches. "President Andrew 
> Jackson
> presided
> > >> > during the mass murder of Indians. If we knew in detail how 
> slavery
> > >>existed
> > >> > alongside freedom, we would have to change the national 
> narrative."
> After
> > >>Class
> > >> >
> > >> > Chen said Avakian's course made her more aware of how the 
> sense of
> > >>belonging
> > >> > corresponds to skin color. "I would never not choose to be 
> someone's
> > >>friend
> > >> > because they are white, but I think it's important to have 
> friends of
> > >>color,"
> > >> > she said.
> > >> >
> > >> > Jya Plavin, a 20-year-old sophomore who is white, said the 
> course
> "was
> > >> > really, really hard . . . both personally and as a white 
> person,
> because
> > >>you
> > >> > really want to take the focus off you and your whiteness."
> > >> >
> > >> > Clason-Hook said that the class was the only one he knew of 
> that
> > >>explicitly
> > >> > spoke of whiteness, and that it helped him realize that 
> "other
> classes,
> > >>like
> > >> > economics, politics and history, are about whiteness. They 
> are
> written by
> > >>and
> > >> > are about white people."
> > >> >
> > >> > He said later that confronting whiteness, day to day, is 
> challenging.
> "I
> > >>am
> > >> > racist. It's not on the surface, but it's in me. Day to day I 
> hear
> racist
> > >> > comments, and people don't even know what they're saying."
> > >> >
> > >> > Andrade said she thought "the class was beneficial, because 
> it brings
> to
> > >> > light that white people, too, are racialized."
> > >> >
> > >> > Thinking back on the class discussion a few days later, 
> Andrade
> wondered:
> > >> > "In a culture that puts whiteness on top, what is blackness? 
> When you
> look
> > >> > at whiteness, blackness is always in the negative."
> > >> >
> > >> > Cairns, who had sailed through the privilege walk, said 
> whiteness
> studies
> > >> > helped her understand race a little better. "My social group 
> has
> always
> > >>been
> > >> > white," she said. "I've noticed that, and I've started to 
> look beyond
> my
> > >> > group."
> > >
> > >
> > >****************************************************
> > >Harry Pollard
> > >Henry George School of Social Science of Los Angeles
> > >Box 655   Tujunga   CA   91042
> > >Tel: (818) 352-4141  --  Fax: (818) 353-2242
> > >http://home.attbi.com/~haledward
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