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>2008/8/5 Ronald F. Guilmette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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>>   I want a "console" xterm window (iconified) in the upper right of
>>   my screen, with a small font.  Even though I start up X as an
>>   ordinary non-root user, I want that "console" xterm to be associated
>>   with the system console, i.e. so that I can de-iconify it anytime
>>   I want and look at recent console messages, e.g. if I think I'm
>>   being attacked and want to see recent IPFW firewall messages.
>>   (Yes, I _do_ know that I may have to see the permissions on the
>>   /dev/console very loosely in order to do this as an ordinary user.
>>   That's OK.  I don't mind.  I'm the only person that uses this system,
>>   ever.)
>
>So you mean xconsole, then?

No, A real Xterm window.

>>   I'd like all Xterms to be associated with a proper sort of Xterm
>>   icon, like they were in the Old Days.  (I just installed fvwm 2.4.0
>>   from the ports collection on FreeBSD and the Xterm icon seems to no
>>   longer be associated with iconified Xterm windows.  What did I do
>>   wrong?)
>
>You assumed.  That's what's wrong.  :P  You probably need to copy over your
>existing .xpm files from your installation.

OK, but aren't icons for usual things (e.g. Xterm) part of either fvwm or
else the X window system itself?

>>   When I iconify ordinary windows (e.g. Firefox) I'd like them to iconify
>>   into positions along the RIGHT edge of the screen, starting at the top,
>>   just below the iconified console Xterm, and then going down along the
>>   right edge of my screen as I iconify more windows.  That's the way that
>>   fvwm 1.x did things, but now, fvwm2 seems to want to iconify by default
>>   things like firefox into the LOWER LEFT corner of my screen.  (What did
>>   I do wrong?)
>
>You didn't do anything wrong here -- by default unless you change it, the icon
>placements default to the whole screen.  You want to specify the following in
>your config file:
>
>Style * IconBox a b c d, IconFill t r, IconGrid 30 30

Ummm... OK.  Obviously. :-)

>I will talk more about this later.

That will help.

>>   I'd kind-of like the colors of the borders of focused and unfocused
>>   windows to go back to the colors I selected for this with fvwm1, i.e.
>>   a sort of a light gold and a dark gold, respectively.  With fvwm2, this
>>   seems to have cheanged into pink and dark grey.  (Again, what did I do
>>   wrong?)
>
>Nothing.  You're not aware of colorsets (in your case via FvwmTheme for FVWM
>2.4.20).  The way you're specifying the colours now for focused and unfocused
>windows are obsolete by far.

OK, and to fix it, I do what?

>>   The only other stuff I really want is a numeric clock and an ordinary
>>   circular clock, someplace towards the bottom right of my screen, a little
>>   Xbiff mail thingy someplace down in that corner (at some convenient
>>   smallish size) and also down in that corner, a couple of buttons that I
>>   can press whenever I want to spawn a new Xterm that will run over on one
>>   or another of the other machines on my network, but that will display
>>   on the screen I'm looking at... the one under control of fvwm.
>
>And the default ConfigFvwmButtons file defines something approximating this.
>
>>So what say you folks?  Will anybody take pity on me and help me?  Included
>> below is (1) my current/old .xinitrc file and (2)my current/old .fvwmrc file
>> that works OK with fvwm 1.x.  (I don't even know where I got most of this
>> stuff anymore.  I probably just hacked around, haphazardly, on example config
>> files provided with fvwm1 until I kind-of got what I wanted.  But even that
>> was only done years and years ago, and so I've even forgotten how fvwm1
>> works!)
>
>I will convert your .fvwmrc file to something which works on FVWM 2.5.26 --
>and that's final.  I am not going to bugger about on 2.4.20 setting up
>FvwmTheme, etc.  You really do want FVWM 2.5.26 -- since you're on one of the
>*BSDs that's a shame, but I will let you figure out how to install that.  :)

OK, no problem.  I can do that.  FreeBSD is setup to allow install of
either 2.4.0 or else the latesr 2.5.x.

I have no problem using 2.5.x.  The only reason I didn't start there was
because it was said to me non-stable, and comments on the wab site to
the effect that "If something breaks with this, we won't help you."

>I will send you an email later after work with a modified file.

Thank you a LOT!

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