> I totally understand that ZF has a commercial aspect and that it's target
> audience
> (at least on the commercial end) is the enterprise and that hopefully it's
> use in the
> enterprise will help drive it's continued improvement.
Indeed. I'm making the push for us to adopt more of this support for group, at
least the new Zend Studio for Eclipse, which is super rad by the way. So
hopefully we can support more in the future, other than just working with it
and participating in the community. :)
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From: Bradley Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:32 AM
To: Eric Marden
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Simplicity Meets Power and not Simplicity,
Meets Power
Eric,
Great to hear from an actual enterprise ZF user! I'm not at all
surprised to see ZF used in the enterprise and to hear that there isn't much
competition to ZF in this space. Just because (in my guess) the majority of ZF
users are not enterprise users doesn't mean that enterprise users aren't a very
important group of ZF users. I totally understand that ZF has a commercial
aspect and that it's target audience (at least on the commercial end) is the
enterprise and that hopefully it's use in the enterprise will help drive it's
continued improvement. It's just that I dislike when the word "enterprise" is
used as a catch-all phrase. Like I said, if the word "enterprise" is used in a
context where it truly is meant to speak to enterprise users (not us little
guys to impress us with how enterprisey it is) then I see that as being
perfectly fine.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Eric Marden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For the record, I work for an Enterprise and would choose no
other framework for our work here, even though I'm a fan of other frameworks.
And while it has been overused, I believe the connotation for
most people is that Enterprise means lots of employees helping the company
generate lots of revenue. In the US these would be your Fortune 1000 companies.
Just my take on the word I guess.
But then again... we lost the word 'hacker' to misuse as well...
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Eric Marden
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From: Bradley Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:34 PM
To: Joó Ádám
Cc: Eric Marden; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Simplicity Meets Power and
not Simplicity, Meets Power
Ugh, what the heck is the word enterprise
<http://terrychay.com/blog/article/enterprise-scalability.shtml> suppose to
mean in this context, anyways? I'd attempt to actively avoid the following
buzzwords, especially in slogans:
* enterprise
* web 2.0
* agile (this one isn't quite as bad as it has a
more clear definition)
These buzzwords can mean many things to different
people so don't really communicate much when used in a slogan. With enterprise,
for example, I doubt the majority of ZF users in-fact work in an
enterprise-size company. "Enterprises" may, in fact, be the target market for
the commercial end of ZF. However, we have a vague notion that if it's for
"enterprise" it must be good. But, since we don't work for an enterprise-size
company, we don't really know what those aspects are so not much is really
communicated here other than, "it's good" which doesn't carry much substance.
In other words, if your truly saying "enterprise" to directly target actual
enterprise-size companies, that's fine. But it comes across more as targeting
those of us who don't work at an enterprise-size company but think that it must
be good if it's good for enterprises. I think there are a lot of great things
to be said about ZF that are more substantive.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Joó Ádám <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
My favourite is Enterprise-strength PHP.
Regards,
Ádám
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