Eric, Great to hear from an actual enterprise ZF user! I'm not at all surprised to see ZF used in the enterprise and to hear that there isn't much competition to ZF in this space. Just because (in my guess) the majority of ZF users are not enterprise users doesn't mean that enterprise users aren't a *very important* group of ZF users. I totally understand that ZF has a commercial aspect and that it's target audience (at least on the commercial end) is the enterprise and that hopefully it's use in the enterprise will help drive it's continued improvement. It's just that I dislike when the word "enterprise" is used as a catch-all phrase. Like I said, if the word "enterprise" is used in a context where it truly is meant to speak to enterprise users (not us little guys to impress us with how enterprisey it is) then I see that as being perfectly fine.
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Eric Marden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the record, I work for an Enterprise and would choose no other > framework for our work here, even though I'm a fan of other frameworks. > > And while it has been overused, I believe the connotation for most people > is that Enterprise means lots of employees helping the company generate lots > of revenue. In the US these would be your Fortune 1000 companies. Just my > take on the word I guess. > > But then again... we lost the word 'hacker' to misuse as well... > > -- > Eric Marden > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bradley Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:34 PM > *To:* Joó Ádám > *Cc:* Eric Marden; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [fw-general] Simplicity Meets Power and not Simplicity, > Meets Power > > Ugh, what the heck is the word > enterprise<http://terrychay.com/blog/article/enterprise-scalability.shtml>suppose > to mean in this context, anyways? I'd attempt to actively avoid the > following buzzwords, especially in slogans: > > - enterprise > - web 2.0 > - agile (this one isn't *quite* as bad as it has a more clear > definition) > > These buzzwords can mean many things to different people so don't really > communicate much when used in a slogan. With enterprise, for example, I > doubt the majority of ZF users in-fact work in an enterprise-size company. > "Enterprises" may, in fact, be the target market for the *commercial* end > of ZF. However, we have a vague notion that if it's for "enterprise" it must > be good. But, since we don't work for an enterprise-size company, we don't > really know what those aspects are so not much is really communicated here > other than, "it's good" which doesn't carry much substance. In other words, > if your truly saying "enterprise" to *directly* target actual > enterprise-size companies, that's fine. But it comes across more as > targeting those of us who don't work at an enterprise-size company but think > that it must be good if it's good for enterprises. I think there are a lot > of great things to be said about ZF that are more substantive. > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Joó Ádám <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My favourite is Enterprise-strength PHP. > > > > > > Regards, > > Ádám > > > > > > -- > Bradley Holt > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Bradley Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
