>SensioLabs is not the devil, obviously, it's simply your main 
competitor.
>It's a pity that you decided to reinvent the wheel, met a 'little blockade',
>resigned and decided to go for Doctrine on this 
failure. You could have
>started by providing integration to the 
popular Doctrine, then have a look
>to the Xyster Orm. So, as i said, 
it's a pity, that you failed this way. If
>i were SensioLabs, 
>http://www.doctrine-project.org/documentation/manual/2_0/en/pdf i would rub
>my hands.

Either you're a troll or you're misinformed...

You keep referring to a "failure" but leave it unspecified - Benjamin made a 
decision that writing Zend_Entity et al. was simply not possible at this time. 
He was the sole developer and had no assistance.

I also have never heard of Xyster - so it would have been a surprise to see it 
adopted.

SensioLabs may be rubbing their hands for some reason, but not because our 
adoption of Doctrine assists Symfony. Developers have been using Doctrine with 
the Zend Framework since forever. The only thing that has changed is making its 
integration a formal development goal. In my mind that is a success given 
Doctrine's popularity that will actually do the opposite of what you seem to 
suspect. I could say the same for other forms of integration.

Symfony has an advantage in that it bundles third party libraries while ZF 
reinvents them or misses the features they offer (sometimes not for the 
better). Maybe the integration of Doctrine will prompt a look at what else has 
been missing - YAML, HTML filtering, etc.

Paddy

 Pádraic Brady

http://blog.astrumfutura.com
http://www.survivethedeepend.com
OpenID Europe Foundation Irish Representative





________________________________
From: Arié Bénichou <arie.benic...@gmail.com>
To: fw-general@lists.zend.com
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:08:39 AM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity in favour of Doctrine 
integration


Hi,


drm-4 wrote:
>  
> If you'd like integration for Xyster, write a proposal for it.
> 
Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the
point here, the question is : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM?


drm-4 wrote:
>  
> And Sensio is the devil...? What's your point? Let alone the fact that 
> Doctrine is simply open source (LGPL) and whatever company would be 
> behind it wouldn't make any difference? Also, check your facts, because 
> what you say isn't even true.
> 

SensioLabs is not the devil, obviously, it's simply your main competitor.
It's a pity that you decided to reinvent the wheel, met a 'little blockade',
resigned and decided to go for Doctrine on this failure. You could have
started by providing integration to the popular Doctrine, then have a look
to the Xyster Orm. So, as i said, it's a pity, that you failed this way. If
i were SensioLabs, 
http://www.doctrine-project.org/documentation/manual/2_0/en/pdf i would rub
my hands .

So, i will ask my question again : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM?

-Arié
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