Pádraic, It's quite easy to call someone a 'troll'. I admit the term 'failure' is probably not fair. However, that's how your competitors, from the open source world, or not, (it doesn't matter), could look at it. I sincerely did not mean to hurt or blame Benjamin who where working on his own. It's a good thing he had the maturity to 'roll-back'. It's just a pity strategically, that support for Doctrine was announced after this 'failure'. It would have been a smarter move to propose a formal Doctrine integration first, then to launch R&D on Zend_Entity.
Pádraic Brady wrote: > > I also have never heard of Xyster - so it would have been a surprise to > see it adopted. > I'm the one supposed to be misinformed. -Arié Pádraic Brady wrote: > >>SensioLabs is not the devil, obviously, it's simply your main > competitor. >>It's a pity that you decided to reinvent the wheel, met a 'little blockade', >>resigned and decided to go for Doctrine on this > failure. You could have >>started by providing integration to the > popular Doctrine, then have a look >>to the Xyster Orm. So, as i said, > it's a pity, that you failed this way. If >>i were SensioLabs, >>http://www.doctrine-project.org/documentation/manual/2_0/en/pdf i would rub >>my hands. > > Either you're a troll or you're misinformed... > > You keep referring to a "failure" but leave it unspecified - Benjamin made > a decision that writing Zend_Entity et al. was simply not possible at this > time. He was the sole developer and had no assistance. > > I also have never heard of Xyster - so it would have been a surprise to > see it adopted. > > SensioLabs may be rubbing their hands for some reason, but not because our > adoption of Doctrine assists Symfony. Developers have been using Doctrine > with the Zend Framework since forever. The only thing that has changed is > making its integration a formal development goal. In my mind that is a > success given Doctrine's popularity that will actually do the opposite of > what you seem to suspect. I could say the same for other forms of > integration. > > Symfony has an advantage in that it bundles third party libraries while ZF > reinvents them or misses the features they offer (sometimes not for the > better). Maybe the integration of Doctrine will prompt a look at what else > has been missing - YAML, HTML filtering, etc. > > Paddy > > Pádraic Brady > > http://blog.astrumfutura.com > http://www.survivethedeepend.com > OpenID Europe Foundation Irish Representative > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Arié Bénichou <arie.benic...@gmail.com> > To: fw-general@lists.zend.com > Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:08:39 AM > Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity in favour of Doctrine > integration > > > Hi, > > > drm-4 wrote: >> >> If you'd like integration for Xyster, write a proposal for it. >> > Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the > point here, the question is : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM? > > > drm-4 wrote: >> >> And Sensio is the devil...? What's your point? Let alone the fact that >> Doctrine is simply open source (LGPL) and whatever company would be >> behind it wouldn't make any difference? Also, check your facts, because >> what you say isn't even true. >> > > SensioLabs is not the devil, obviously, it's simply your main competitor. > It's a pity that you decided to reinvent the wheel, met a 'little > blockade', > resigned and decided to go for Doctrine on this failure. You could have > started by providing integration to the popular Doctrine, then have a look > to the Xyster Orm. So, as i said, it's a pity, that you failed this way. > If > i were SensioLabs, > http://www.doctrine-project.org/documentation/manual/2_0/en/pdf i would > rub > my hands . > > So, i will ask my question again : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM? > > -Arié > -- > View this message in context: > http://n4.nabble.com/Discontinuing-Zend-Entity-in-favour-of-Doctrine-integration-tp648011p787423.html > Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Discontinuing-Zend-Entity-in-favour-of-Doctrine-integration-tp648011p787521.html Sent from the Zend Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
