> Going back to the Apple issue though, only about 30% of the times I've 
> gone
> through Apple's TIL I found what I am looking for, since I am very
> experienced in Macs and only look when I need to.  Needless to say 
> whatever
> Apple has in their website I already know.  That's were technical 
> books come
> in.  If Apple offered answers to all the questions then why is there
> troubleshooting books for sale?

Apple TIL is a huge resource, but because there is so much there one 
has to be good at finding it. Research is a skill regardless of the 
genre. I have a hard time believing that any of us has complete 
knowledge of the content of the hundreds of thousands of tech support 
documents in the TIL. The entire US legal system is completely 
available to the public, yet there are books on "making the law easy" 
and "how write contracts," why? Because there is a market. If you want 
the most info go to the TIL and learn how to dig, heck even video 
pin-outs are there. Troubleshooting books are targeted, why search the 
whole TIL when all I want to know is about OS 8.6 internet access 
issues? There are books on whatever people will buy, it does not mean 
that Apple does not offer the information, many troubleshooting books 
over look easy solutions in the TIL, why? because they are written from 
someone's personal experiences.

> The thing is Apple is so confident that their equipment is so easy to 
> work
> with, they forget about the little details little "advanced 
> troubleshooting"
> (is there such thing in the Apple website???) not that I know of.  
> Well I
> think there's not such thing in any computer tech support website.  I 
> wish
> Dan was reading this, and give his opinion.

Well, compare basic issues on a Windows PC with basic issues on a 
Macintosh computer. Say adding a printer, or adding RAM, both are much 
more streamlined, both are much more available to the end user on the 
Macintosh. Now compare more advanced [not yet professional level] 
issues. Look at adding a hard drive to a desktop. On a Power Mac it is 
quick and easy, on an iMac it is not even considered something the end 
user can do on their own. There are set expectations for these products 
and who does what to them. On a Windows PC it varies largely how easy 
physical installation is by OEM. However, compare preparing the drive 
for the OS in each Windows and Macintosh - DOS like prompts asking you 
to fdisk cause more reluctance and hesitation than does either the Mac 
OS installer [which does format your disk for you without any 
complication of the process] or the Apple Disk Utility. When one gets 
to truly advanced we must realize that the definition of them varies 
more. Apple insists that installing a new hard drive in an iMac is a 
job for a technician, you or I might think different than they and do 
it ourselves. Advanced  troubleshooting, in the sense of what I labeled 
professional, for the most part consists of things that tech OEMs do 
not want to endorse the end user doing and therefore while the 
information can be found to do it in most cases they do not push it out 
to the public as readily as more basic troubleshooting.

> Of course we as the users usually have such rare and unexpected 
> situations,
> and problems do come up when companies don't follow the "Apple rules" 
> when
> developing software/hardware for the Mac.  There is a lot of that out 
> there.
> And Apple is usually not to blame.  I've used both PCs and Macs, and 
> while I
> wouldn't put a PC on my desk I have to agree there is a lot of things 
> PC
> users take for granted, that we don't have.  I understand Apple fixed 
> a lot
> of that with their OS X release (screen saver, more powerful 
> utilities), but
> I haven't been able to enjoy it yet (G3 333 w/ OS 9.1).  Kinda late if
> you
> ask me!

I don't follow this, your point got lost for me. What was kinda late? 
Releasing 10.1? Releasing 10.2? I can't believe you were waiting for 
the screen saver and the improvements in server administration to move 
from 9.1 to 10.x.

> Upgrade is not an option unless I can find a dirt cheap copy of OS 10.

I don't follow this either. Above it seemed like you just said that Mac 
OS X wasn't good enough, but might be now, but this line seems to work 
on the premise that Mac OS X is only good if its cheap ... I am sure I 
am misunderstanding cause it really doesn't mesh.

David


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