Well Laura,

I don't want to come across as rude, but ...

have you actually read my message before replying??? You just need to read the first line and you'll see that I am indeed talking about an iMac G5! And my point is that the iMac G5 to me is indeed the right choice, one reason being that your neighbour is not on this list;-).

With it I mean that you might end up becoming "the computer technician", and unless you enjoy a lot of teas at your neighbour's, something "pre-packaged" should fit the bill better. If she can't afford a new sparkling iMac G5, even an older iMac G4 (800-900MHz) could be better than spending heaps to upgrade a system with potentially a lot of pitfalls, for example every new component you install adds to the potential instability of the system ... CPU upgrades might not be supported by newer OSes, add on cards might interfere with deep sleep, and so on.

See Amanda's issues for example:

On 16/12/2005, at 11:04 AM, Amanda Ward wrote:
Bruce started life as an ordinary B&W, Rev. 1, G3-300.

snip

 (Have a 250 GB USB 2 drive I'm trying, but he's not much liking it!)

snip

I've run Jaguar on a Wallstreet 266 with 192 MB. It runs, but pretty slow. I also run Jaguar on Bryce (B&W G3-350) with 256 MB and it's okay, but not a speed demon!!


The model you think about upgrading is one of the first G4s, and would need some serious upgrading to run current applications smoothly. I have a G4 QS 800 with 768 MB of RAM, SATA drives, Radeon 9800, Superdrive, etc ... but unless I upgrade RAM and CPU further, Photoshop is only running so fast, and not fast enough ...

When I mentioned a Powermac I meant to say that we on this list like to play with the internals of our machines and don't mind a bit of tinkering, so it might be natural for us to think straight away at upgrading that G4. I for example wouldn't want an iMac for no reason. If I can't put half a dozen drives, fill all RAM and PCI slots, have the latest superdrive and video card and then see the powersupply die in a cloud of smoke, well, I am not quite happy, however, I sometime think that I must be a bit masochistic.

Hope this clarifies a bit my thought, well, at least a bit ;-)

And BTW, if you end up wanting to upgrade I would make sure it does at least have:

900-1000 MHz CPU (>$150)
1GB of RAM (2x512MB PC133) (~$60)
200GB HDD ($55)
Superdrive (nowadays CDs just don't cut it anymore) (DVR110D $35)
USB 2.0 (cheap)
Faster video card, possibly at least Radeon 8500 or 9000. (~$50 for R9000, $75 for R8500)

This is at least $350 if you shop on ebay an get bargains ...

also it would be nice to have a faster ATA or a SATA card.

Cheers
Andrea

On 16/12/2005, at 11:54 PM, Laura Drew wrote:

We are talking about an imac g5,not a powermac...sorry...
but I would suggest she get the new but I just wanted to know what she might get by with if
she can't get the money together...
It does not have to be the equivalent but at least better than she has now.
thanks Laura

On Dec 15, 2005 ,Dec 15, 2005, at 7:01 PM, Andrea Salvarani wrote:

Honestly,

if your neighbour can afford it and she's not a tinkerer why not buying the iMac G5? To match its performances with a Sawtooth you'd end up spending more than buying new.

IMO, you choose the upgrade way for two reasons: 1) like to have a machine with a lot of expansion slots and so you want get a tower, 2) but can't afford that new shining G5.

(Real reason is that you like to play doctor and perform regular surgery, medical check ups, resuscitation and finally euthanasia;-)

Otherwise a new machine comes with a warranty, all the new technology built in, needs much less support, and will be supported by Apple for much longer.

Cheers
Andrea




My neighbor has a g4 tower.
I don't have all the specs in front of me but
it has a dvd drive in it! (it came with it)
she is running os 9
I think it is a   G4 (AGP Graphics)  Sawtooth
I believe she has like a 350 mhz processor and I will have to check on the ram.

She is considering buying a new imac g5, but in case she decides not to, we are trying to see what options of upgrades there are for her.
I would like her to upgrade to Tiger OR at  least Panther.

I don't know where her original disks are.

Questions are

what would be a low end upgrade.... if you had to do one or 2 things before you installed x what would you do?

The computer freezes often, I can't figure out why.
I would LIKE to just delete everything off the disk but she will still need os9 to run an older version of quickbooks.

Any suggestions would be GREAT!!
thanks
Laura


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