On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But, he
also worked on most systems, and he brings up Gateways use of tabs to prevent the
use of regular CD drives all the time.

I have been working on and in Gateway desktop systems since 1995-96 or so. I've *never* seen it need special CD drives.

Oh, and I also worked on my brothers Gateway. It was a Pentium II, and I could not remove the processor. It was held in with plastic pieces that prevented an easy removal. I also recall the motherboard appearing not to be ATX. This computer was clearly not made with any intentions of making disassembly
or upgrade of the processor easy.

That's just the way those CPU sockets worked. Don't confuse not being designed for swapping parts with being proprietary. Also, ATX is only one standard for motherboards. It happens to be popular today, but there have been dozens of standard designs over the years.

Old Gateways and Compaqs were both incredibly proprietary, disgustingly
so.

Old Compaqs had a lot of proprietary features and they were a pain to work on. Gateways have often been a pain to work on, but their parts, at least in my experience, have always been bog standard.

I am happy that in all of your years as a tech you've never encountered one of these machines. But please don't tell me what I'm saying us bull,
because it's not.
I have seen with my own eyes.  And my friend who worked for NCR
Im sure has seen A LOT more PCs in his 3 years than yours.

I suspect I've seen a few more in eleven years of working in systems support and many years before that being the "computer guy" in the lab.

--
Bruce Johnson

This is the sig who says 'Ni!'


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