Not to mention all the downloads. I have msxml I think, not sure. I have the directx that comes with xp and the latest mdac from windows update. So thats like 9mb gone. But dx9 is 50mb, dotnet 1 is 30 and dotnet 2 is also 30 so 110mb. Then there are the packs for both which come to another 30mb maybe less, so 160mb for all that. I havn't had any issues on any system with all those loaded. However I'm always upgrading things. I have every kit on the devkit damon has collected. I have autoit, python with pygame, pysonic, pymidi pytts and pyaa. My latest addition is mde from nasa that does math programming and sound speech and other things. Ofcause with all that and other stuff both my hard drives are about full, both internal and external only 40gb. I'm probably going to buy a 500gb external at the end of the year to pour all my mp3s and other stuff on. And well for a while that should releave the situation. At 08:30 a.m. 5/09/2006, you wrote: >thing is though with all these .net applications is you need more libraries >than are necessary. that's the only problem i find, net framework this, data >access components that, microsoft xml the other, bearing in mind that on >some systems, mine included, a program written in vb.net that uses direct x >8 and the net framework tends to bring up one of those crash dialogs. > >at least with a language like c++ the only real essential library you need, >like one written in vb6, is direct x, and i don't know how you guys feel >about this, but it must be the right version. if you go too early you'll be >very limited, but if you go too late then it's going to be a bit of a pain >for the average computer user, let's just say. of course the other thing is >some people are just very cautious with upgrades, not only because of >security, but privacy and compatibility also. > >regards, > >damien > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 8:02 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game development was intro > > > > Hi Rachel, > > Yes, I think C#.net, (called C-Sharp,) is a good starter language. I'll > > explain a bit about myself and why I feel that way. > > When I was in college taking Computer Science courses I took a course in > > basic C++ and an advanced C++ course. I found that the language was > > powerful, but there is allot of knolege needed to write a simple Windows > > application. If you were to write something in C++ an esential book to > > read would be Windows Programming by Microsoft press. The book is > > something like 1000 or 1200 pages long and some of the code you need is > > dificult for a beginner is extremely complicated. > > In 2001/2002 Microsoft decided to come out with their .NET platform, and > > one of the new languages was C#.NET. One of the things that has made > > C#.NET popular amung amature and professional programmers is Microsoft > > has simplified many basic tasks for drawing buttons, Windows, and other > > controls. They used the Visual form editor from Visual Basic, and gave > > it the power of a C++/Java style language without all the complication > > involved with it. Now, days using C#.NET just go to your project menu > > and tell it to add a new Windows form, and it generates one for you. > > Want to add a new class go to projects ask it to add a class and it > > will, and then you can modify the generated class to your needs. If you > > want to add a button, timer, listbox, etc go to the toolbox drop one on > > to your form, and modify it to your needs. It speeds up development at > > the same time simplifying things for you. > > One of the powers of C#.NET and even VB.NET is you don't need to know > > allot of info on how Windows works to write good apps. All you need to > > know is what classes are in what framework dll files, and you can then > > create what is known as an object to access the properties in that class. > > For example, lets assume you have a simple form called window. Look how > > easy it is in C#.NET to change the width and height of the window using > > objects and built in classes. > > > > window.Height = 300; > > window.Width = 300; > > > > Our object is called window. The Height and Width variables belong to > > window, and you can change them thus actually effecting the width and > > height of the window being shown. Pretty simple and cool right? > > Another reason I suggest going with C#.NET is it's growing support from > > Microsoft as well as professional and amature developers. At one time > > Microsoft DirectX use to come with Visual Basic 6 and C++ examples. > > Well, since DirectX 9.0 and later the only two languages now officially > > documented and supported is C++ and C#.NET, and there is very little to > > no official support for VB.NET although it can work with DirectX 9 if > > you fight with it and know what you are doing. Since C#.NET has been > > released to the public in 2002 there have been a handful of C#.NET books > > written about game programming, and only one that I know of for VB.NET, > > and the one VB.NET book was terrible at best. To ice the cake, as it > > were, when Kickstart DirectX 9 came out to show off the new features for > > DirectX 9 it was done in C#.NET not VB.NET or C++. That really says > > support for C#.NET is growing and the Visual Basic languages are slowly > > in decline. > > The final point is that on non Windows operating systems such as Mac OS > > and Linux they use a .NET Framework called mono. If memory serves me > > correctly it can run almost any precompiled .NET binary, but the mono > > compiler will only except C#.NET source code if someone on those > > operating systems was doing .NET development. > > So by and large in 2003 when I opened U.S.A. Games I saw the simplicity, > > the power, etc in C#.NET and chose it as my game development language. I > > have never regreted my decision. I know enough about other languages to > > write my games in VB, C++, Java, etc however C#.NET has proven not to > > disappoint me, and I really enjoy it. I can easily recommend it to > > anyone interested in writing accesible games. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org > > To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can >visit > > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make > > any subscription changes via the web. > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org >To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make >any subscription changes via the web. > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006
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