well damon. I will at some point get the entire visual studio express dotnet. I will probably dabble in vc# and probably vwd. I will have everything though and well I'll see How far I will get. At 02:12 PM 10/30/2006, x-sight interactive wrote: >ok guys you win. i'm still using autoit for now, but i've given up comaudio. >it broke on my system and philip bennefall's having problems with it. i >can't get it to work at all on mine. > >i did actually try at one point with msvs.net and the ide was terrible - >kept hanging on my system. so all i have now is msvs6. so yes, i'm currently >trying to learn dx myself and am beginning to understand it. however there >are still basic concepts i don't know how to code in vb, like how to make it >wait, how to create arrays, how to use timers, position forms, if i can sort >all that out i may just switch from autoit altogether, don't know yet. > >regards, > >damien > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Liam Erven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> >Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 12:38 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Learning VisualBasic > > >> Quintin: >> >> Autoit is an excelent language to get your feet web. However, if you are >> serious about doing anything serious, your best bet is to learn a language >> like c sharp or vb. I'm a very big vb fan, and I know me and Tom will >> disagree. But, it's what works for me, and it's what I can teach people >on >> the best. Grnated, my dot net stuff is rusty, but I'm still learning, and >> I've found all I need to know to get dx to work fairly well. However, Tom >> is right in that there is not a lot out there for beginner programmers. I >> really really do not like autoit though. There is much better out there. >I >> won't write a whole list of the things I don't like, just know that I >> dislike it greatly. Hahaha. >> >> Liam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Quinten Pendle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:28 AM >> To: 'Gamers Discussion list' >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Learning VisualBasic >> >> Hi Thomas >> Where can one find the agdev-newbies list to subscribe to it? >> Also, what do you think of AutoIT as a programming language? >> The little that I saw of it, looked quite good. >> Best regards >> Quinten Pendle >> PENDLE PRO >> Klerksdorp, South Africa >> >> Tel: +27 (0) 83 395 4593 >> Email: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> MSN: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Skype: >> ahakimbo >> Website: >> www.pendlepro.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:51 AM >> To: Gamers Discussion list >> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Learning VisualBasic >> >> >> Hi Robin, >> In the future posts like this should probably go over to the agdev-newbies >> list where we discuss such issues like this more in depth. >> However, since I am writing this email anyway. I will answer as many >> questions as I can, and I have a few questions of my own. >> >> /Snip >> > I'd like to learn how to write programs and games in VB. >> End Snip >> >> Is there any special reason you decided to go for Visual Basic rather than >> say C#, called C-Sharp. >> I highly recommend going with C-Sharp over VB for the primary reason many >> things are better documented and supported. One of these important areas >in >> particular to you will be DirectX. While you can use MS DirectX in VB >games >> Microsoft does not officially support it, and do not >> >> provide code samples, instructions, etc on writing games in VB .NET 2005. >> >> Snip >> > 1. Is it possible to write good games in VB? >> End Snip >> >> Yes, but you will find that good and reliable documentation for newbies is >> extremely lacking. Visual Basic became famous among amature and rapid >> >> application developers during the 90's but it's popularity is on the >> decline. Most of the VB croud have switched to C-Sharp. >> Just some historical background when DirectX 7 and 8 came out Microsoft >> unvailed it with VB 6.0 examples etc and offered newbies a simple basic >> language with a good set of multimedia libraries for developing games and >> other amature home wrote applications. >> In 2001 Microsoft converted all there Visual Studio languages to the .NET >> Framework furthering increasing the power of the languages as well as a >> universal development platform, and unvailed a new rapid development >> language C#, called C-Sharp, which had many improvements over VB, used C++ >> style coding conventions, reused allot of concepts from Java, and became a >> very new and innovative language. Now, it is rising in popularity, and in >> some areas has passed up VB in popularity among amature programmers. >> In 2003 when Microsoft DirectX 9.0 was unvailed to the world the >> documentation was for C++ and C-Sharp users, and VB devs were left in the >> cold documentation and support wise. >> Since I know both C-Sharp and VB as well as DirectX I know I could get >> DirectX up and running in no time in VB, but for a newby I don't see that >> happening without good samples and training. >> >> Snip >> > 2. Where can I find the toolbox? >> End Snip >> >> Press control+w then press the letter x. Your screen reader should land >you >> on the toolbox area of the screen. Keep in mind there is two columns >> >> in the toolbox window. There is one side which sets the type of tools you >> wish to view, and the other side is the actual tools themselves. For >> >> your first experience with this I would say arrow up to have it show all >> >> tools, and then you can tab in to the tools and view the entire list. >> Obviously, later on you may want to customise your view as there are only >> certain types of tools you need for certain projects. >> >> Snip >> > 3. Is it a good idea to create a webbrowser at first? >> End Snip >> >> No. Any seasoned developer will tell you that you need to start out >> extremely basic. For example my very very first program I wrote as a >student >> was a text program which did nothing more than display my name on the >> screen. Some use hello world, your name, or whatever but the idea >> >> is to get you use to structures of programming, understanding functions, >> >> variables, data types, etc. Unless you know the basic termonology and use >> for things in a program you can not begin to write one. >> So first advice keep it simple stupid. Your first batch of programs are >> going to be lame, boring, throw away, projects, but worth the practice. >> >> Snip >> > 3. Where can I find a good VB tutorial that explains all or at least >> > most of all the features and how to use them? >> End Snip >> >> Well, I am very fond of recommending >> http://safari.oreilly.com >> which has books on just about any programming topic you can research for >> >> $20.00 US monthly. >> if you are going to do VB I suggest reading something like VB .NET In a >> >> Nutshell by O'reilly and Associates. >> >> Snip >> > 4. Is there someone here who can program in VB and who could give me >> > some lessons? Thanks for >> End Snip >> >> I know enough of VB .NET to get you started in designing games, but >> unfortunately I have a rather tight schedule aready and can't take on a >> student at this point in my life other than ocational pointers such as >this >> email from time to time. >> Smile. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any >> subscription changes via the web. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gamers mailing list .. 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