I'd pay for the upgrade, as long as there was a reasonable change.
ie improvement and most of them are.
however can you blame people for not paying when
readers like jfw are the same product but you
need to buy them again to use them on another os and its exactly the same.
I wouldn't pay full price just to use it won win8 though.
At 05:56 AM 9/14/2013, you wrote:
Hi Charles and Tom,
I think it's a catch 22, especially in the case
of the remaining games started by James North,
since they were ordered so long ago. You're
going to have a sizable portion of customers
who, through necessity or what have you, have
upgraded from XP, and those who have not. Both
groups would have valid arguments as to why
their OS of choice should be supported without
additional cost. The games were originally
offered for XP, so XP users would demand
support, but the games could have reasonably
have been expected to be delivered long before
there were three more major versions of Windows
released, giving those who have upgraded a valid
argument to be provided a game that is tailored to the newer OS's.
You're definitely one of the more reasonable
users in terms of being willing to pay for
upgrades. ChangeReaction 2 has generated some
complaints from those upset that it was not a
free upgrade, and from others who felt that, if
they bought the Mac or Windows version, they
should be entitled to a free version of the game
for the other platform, too. And all of that
after we decided to offer it for $9.99.
I don't envy Tom in the spot he's in. All of
these problems, coupled with the attitudes of
some in the community, is why we neither take
pre-orders, nor offer details in advance of what we're working on.
Speaking of whichÂ…I need to end this message
here, so I can get back to coding our next new
title. It's coming out very nicely. *evil grin*
On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wrong, at least in my case. If a game was to
originally be developed that required XP, and I
purchased it, and is now available for users of
Windows 8 which I have just installed, I would
actually expect to pay a small upgrade fee to
get the game I now need. If the developer does
not charge for the upgrade, so much the better,
but I would not complain if they did, unless it
was stated in the documentation included in the
original game that there would be no charge for updates.
>
> ---
> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <[email protected]>
> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users
>
>
>> Now there is a joke if not a real slap in
the face. you might want to think about this
one Thomas. Yes give it xp support and build
for the other version as you wish. Charles and
those wanting to stay on xp can. Now here is
the good part. Charles stated that they will
pay for the better version even if they already
own the game for xp. you know and I know that
will never happen. The crowd on this list gripe
about releases, requirements and any problem or
bug that comes up with a game. So like other
companies build for what is being sold. When
there boxes die or a virus hits from lack of
support and they have to get new. You won't
have to listen to them say but it only works on
xp. I have to give you some credit here Tom,
because your one of the few programmers out
there that tries to hear from all. Your
willingness to take suggestions. Most out there
program and support what they write. They don't
let the community tell them what goes in a
game, how to sell or what platform to build
for. So the community should be grateful for
you, but when they do have to buy that copy
that runs on current versions of ops. That is
when they will be sending the hate mail and
those on this list know who you are! So just
stop the thread because xp users are going to
stay. The rest of us that moved on will
remember we are not paying for the game twice.
>>
>> At 06:39 PM 9/12/2013, you wrote:
>>> That's why there should be a version that
will take advantage of the newer technology in
the works, slowly being developed, as well as
one that will work on XP that is more quickly
developed. If we like the XP compatible
version and we must migrate to the newer OS, we
will gladly pay for the newer version that will
probably have better performance and more options.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas
Ward" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 5:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Note to XP users
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>> Smile. I was only joking. I wouldn't actually do that precisely for
>>>> that reason. USA Games needs to make money, and unfortunately we are
>>>> held hostage to a user base that will not upgrade to a newer OS for
>>>> whatever reason. The only thing we can do as developers is try to
>>>> support both as for as long as we can , and when that is no longer
>>>> possible then we have to make a judgment based on what will be best
>>>> for the product long term rather than the short term.
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you right now selecting XP because it has the most
>>>> customers right now is not good in the long term, because in five to
>>>> ten years that situation will likely change. People will be running
>>>> something a lot newer than XP, and they will thank me for supporting
>>>> the new platform rather than developing for XP and not taking in
>>>> account any thought about tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Let's give you an example, and I am truly interested to get your point
>>>> of view on this. I know you bought Raceway and Montezuma's Revenge
>>>> through preorder sales. You'll be getting copies of them when it is
>>>> released. However, imagine that PC you have breaks down and you decide
>>>> to go out and buy a new computer with Windows 8 on it. How would you
>>>> feel if I said, "sorry, it doesn't run on Windows 8? You said you
>>>> wanted me to develop it for XP so I didn't take any consideration for
>>>> Windows 8 users." Now, how would you feel? Would you have to eat your
>>>> words about XP support once the shoe is firmly on the other foot?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/12/13, Charles Rivard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> If you support 64 bit systems only,
wiping out all XP users entirely, you've
>>>>>
>>>>> just wiped out your income from would-be
customers. Kill your business in
>>>>> order to keep up with current technology? Not smart at all.
>>>>>
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