Hi Dark,
I have had low responses from large SAPI voices on every machine now.
I like Eloquence better than Orpheus, since I have been used to Eloquence all my life. It is more softly spoken than Orpheus, and I believe is much nicer to listen to while reading long documents. In my opinion Orpheus just sounds like a glorified version of ESpeak, or, as far as the sample based version is concerned, a glorified version of the Microsoft TTS voices. Eloquence reminds me of Dectalk and Keynote (Keynote is the very first synthetic voice I worked with). Yeah, call me nostalgic if you wish. Lol.
Regards,
Damien.



----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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I've never actually had lag or speed issues with scansoft daniel, even on my laptop which is five years old and has not the world's largest ram.

I have noticed some lag when using realspeak with Hal even with hal's direct output (one reason I use orphius, sinse it is both extremely responsive and imho, sounds much nicer than eloquence), though also bare in mind my typing speed is pretty fast.

But I haven't seen this issue in games running sapi, even timing based ones like lone wolf, or when writing in muds, ---- pluss of course, if you have the libraries you can in fact run sapi with eloquence if you wish anyway.

I wonder if there's something wonky in your setup which is giving low performance with sapi?

Beware the grue!

dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Pendleton" <dam...@x-sight-interactive.net>
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Hi Dark,
Synth voices like Eloquence and Dectalk are hard to get for SAPI 5 though. I tend to find with SAPI that you go from one extreme to the other. Either a low-sampled, quick but hard to understand one, or a high-sampled, large, slow, laggy, easy to understand one. However they all seem to be sample-based rather than formant-based.
Regards,
Damien.



----- Original Message ----- From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
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Not to mention Sapi.

there are those of us who use Hal, and thus don't have any of the above, ---- in fact my personal feeling is why add support for several windows screen readers which some people may or may not have when you can do just as well with sapi which everyone has.

Sorry, but it just seems silly to develope support for five different systems in an effort to please everyone when you could do it with just the one.

The only issue there is with sapi sis that not everyone will have a decent voice, ---- but this is a synth voice issue not a screen reader one, and with companies like seerprock, acapella neospeech etc producing good quality sapi compliant voices which no longer cost the earth to buy, it's a good investment for anyone who wants to play audio games.

in fact, I regard buying a sapi voice as rather like buying a joystick where audio games are concerned.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Belanger" <karl.belan...@comcast.net> To: "'Philip Bennefall'" <phi...@blastbay.com>; "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT


If you add Jaws support, please also add support for Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA as not everyone uses or even owns Jaws. What I'd recommend is have it autodetect the screen reader currently running, and interface
with it.
Karl

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:52 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] Screen reader support in BGT

Hi all,

I have been opposed to adding screen reader support into BGT since the very beginning, though I am beginning to change my mind. The primary reason for my not wanting to do it has been the fact that Jaws steals a large number of keys from DirectInput, making it very hard to play games if Jaws is loaded and not in sleep mode. However, I have just managed to solve this problem.

Jaws uses what is known as a low level, system wide keyboard hook which
basically monitors the state of the keyboard device and decides whether
input should be allowed through so that other applications can see it. Jaws, as we all know, decides that a lot of keys should not be let through such as the arrows, escape and a whole bunch of others. So what I have done is to set up a low level keyboard hook of my own, though a process specific hook rather than a global one. Why? Because process specific hooks always take priority over global ones, which means that I can simply tell my keyboard
hook to allow everything through... And there you have it. Jaws and
DirectInput are now the best of friends.

I am going to enable this as an option in BGT, because even though I tell
everything to go straight through it does block certain Jaws specific
keystrokes from being processed while you are in the window, almost as
though Jaws had been in sleep mode though it technically is not. In other
words, this will enable me to add support for Jaws speech output while
preventing Jaws from messing about with the keyboard input.

Just some information I figured I would share with you.

Kind regards,

Philip Bennefall
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