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Phillip On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear All > > Pyrolytic gasification > > Wood + Heat ==> Charcoal + vinegar gas ( acetic acid etc.) > > is a piece of cake compared to total gasification in which lignin contributes > phenolics to make tars. > > In a rational world there would be a good market for the charcoal as > fertilizer and reducer of global warming. > > sighhhhh > > Tom Reed > > Dr Thomas B Reed > President, The Biomass Energy Foundation > www.Woodgas.com > > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Dear Tom Miles and the list: >> One thing that should be learned is that when there is a lot of money >> around, the tendency is to hire a lot of folks and then the pressure is on >> to burn money fast. I also see "financing issues with start up of commercial >> plant" to read, too expensive, has technical issues, vis a vis Range Fuels >> and others. This is a repeat of even the Downdraft system from Grabowski >> under Syngas co. This was even partially funded in the 80's by a group which >> had provided funding to Thermogenics and the lead financier called me >> several years after funding Syngas to say that i was right, it would fail. >> They decided to not fund Thermogenics because of the lack of PhD's who could >> argue that their process was better. Not having a degree made my arguments >> not listened to. >> The question arises as to what to do with a large staff which initially >> does engineering work, and then when the design is completed, what are they >> doing next until the design is completed and operational? This is why to >> some extent, this work being done by consultants may be better of a business >> structure. >> Unfortunately, the financial world relies on degrees for results which >> paves the way downhill. A multiple PhD in mathematics who was Sandia >> National Laboratories' lead mathematician, with Stanford and Caltech on his >> CV, had a saying on his door "A thermometer is not the only thing with >> degrees and no brains". >> The more of these large operations to hit the walls, the more difficult >> the field will be to get serious project financing and move forward. There >> are others slated to fail in near term from what I have been hearing, high >> profile supposedly "successful commercial operations". >> Sincerely, >> Leland T. "Tom" Taylor >> President >> Thermogenics Inc. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dl <[email protected]> >> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 4:43 pm >> Subject: Re: [Gasification] What happened at Choren >> >> http://www.choren.com/en/information-and-press/press-releases/ >> >> >> Going into bankruptcy in Germany. >> >> >> Dan Lacy >> >> The best way to compile inaccurate information that no one wants is to make >> it up. >> Scott Adams >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Tom Miles" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> This Google alert abut Choren should be on interest to anyone who has >> follwoed biomass pyrolysis an dgiasification to syngas. See the Google Alert >> link below. Tom News1 new result for gasifier What Happened at Choren? >> Consumer Energy Report >> The gasifier would be scaled up from the pilot plant scale of 1 MW th to 45 >> MW th . 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