Dear Tom Taylor You bring back many sad memories of sad projects that I was peripheral to 1990-2000. i suppose one reason for the failure of biomass projects is that coal is standing in the wings setting an economic floor that it is hard for wood to beat.
A second reason is that al is a very direct benefit to anyone owning a mine and the downside of coal vs biomass Global warming from recycling sequestered carbon Toxic emissions of mercury etc. are passed on to the world at large which cant defined itself. Tom Reed Dr Thomas B Reed President, The Biomass Energy Foundation www.Woodgas.com On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Dear Tom Miles and the list: > One thing that should be learned is that when there is a lot of money > around, the tendency is to hire a lot of folks and then the pressure is on to > burn money fast. I also see "financing issues with start up of commercial > plant" to read, too expensive, has technical issues, vis a vis Range Fuels > and others. This is a repeat of even the Downdraft system from Grabowski > under Syngas co. This was even partially funded in the 80's by a group which > had provided funding to Thermogenics and the lead financier called me several > years after funding Syngas to say that i was right, it would fail. They > decided to not fund Thermogenics because of the lack of PhD's who could argue > that their process was better. Not having a degree made my arguments not > listened to. > The question arises as to what to do with a large staff which initially > does engineering work, and then when the design is completed, what are they > doing next until the design is completed and operational? This is why to some > extent, this work being done by consultants may be better of a business > structure. > Unfortunately, the financial world relies on degrees for results which > paves the way downhill. A multiple PhD in mathematics who was Sandia National > Laboratories' lead mathematician, with Stanford and Caltech on his CV, had a > saying on his door "A thermometer is not the only thing with degrees and no > brains". > The more of these large operations to hit the walls, the more difficult > the field will be to get serious project financing and move forward. There > are others slated to fail in near term from what I have been hearing, high > profile supposedly "successful commercial operations". > Sincerely, > Leland T. "Tom" Taylor > President > Thermogenics Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dl <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 4:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Gasification] What happened at Choren > > http://www.choren.com/en/information-and-press/press-releases/ > > > Going into bankruptcy in Germany. > > > Dan Lacy > > The best way to compile inaccurate information that no one wants is to make > it up. > Scott Adams > > > > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Tom Miles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This Google alert abut Choren should be on interest to anyone who has > follwoed biomass pyrolysis an dgiasification to syngas. See the Google Alert > link below. Tom News1 new result for gasifier What Happened at Choren? > Consumer Energy Report > The gasifier would be scaled up from the pilot plant scale of 1 MW th to 45 > MW th . Shell's Fischer-Tropsch technology was being used in the plant, ... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/_______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
