Dear All Pyrolytic gasification
Wood + Heat ==> Charcoal + vinegar gas ( acetic acid etc.) is a piece of cake compared to total gasification in which lignin contributes phenolics to make tars. In a rational world there would be a good market for the charcoal as fertilizer and reducer of global warming. sighhhhh Tom Reed Dr Thomas B Reed President, The Biomass Energy Foundation www.Woodgas.com On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:32 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Dear Tom Miles and the list: > One thing that should be learned is that when there is a lot of money > around, the tendency is to hire a lot of folks and then the pressure is on to > burn money fast. I also see "financing issues with start up of commercial > plant" to read, too expensive, has technical issues, vis a vis Range Fuels > and others. This is a repeat of even the Downdraft system from Grabowski > under Syngas co. This was even partially funded in the 80's by a group which > had provided funding to Thermogenics and the lead financier called me several > years after funding Syngas to say that i was right, it would fail. They > decided to not fund Thermogenics because of the lack of PhD's who could argue > that their process was better. Not having a degree made my arguments not > listened to. > The question arises as to what to do with a large staff which initially > does engineering work, and then when the design is completed, what are they > doing next until the design is completed and operational? This is why to some > extent, this work being done by consultants may be better of a business > structure. > Unfortunately, the financial world relies on degrees for results which > paves the way downhill. A multiple PhD in mathematics who was Sandia National > Laboratories' lead mathematician, with Stanford and Caltech on his CV, had a > saying on his door "A thermometer is not the only thing with degrees and no > brains". > The more of these large operations to hit the walls, the more difficult > the field will be to get serious project financing and move forward. There > are others slated to fail in near term from what I have been hearing, high > profile supposedly "successful commercial operations". > Sincerely, > Leland T. "Tom" Taylor > President > Thermogenics Inc. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dl <[email protected]> > To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification > <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 4:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Gasification] What happened at Choren > > http://www.choren.com/en/information-and-press/press-releases/ > > > Going into bankruptcy in Germany. > > > Dan Lacy > > The best way to compile inaccurate information that no one wants is to make > it up. > Scott Adams > > > > > On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM, "Tom Miles" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This Google alert abut Choren should be on interest to anyone who has > follwoed biomass pyrolysis an dgiasification to syngas. See the Google Alert > link below. Tom News1 new result for gasifier What Happened at Choren? > Consumer Energy Report > The gasifier would be scaled up from the pilot plant scale of 1 MW th to 45 > MW th . Shell's Fischer-Tropsch technology was being used in the plant, ... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/_______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
