Tom, This is an interesting display of organizations that have been successful getting DOD contracts. This doesn't seem to be a case where something developed for NASA or DOD has applications in civilian life. It doesn't seem to work any better just because you "deploy" it in a container
Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Gasification] DOD result of small scale power generation The following is a summary of the results of the Army and other DOD entities' work in trying to do small scale waste to energy operations: http://e2s2.ndia.org/pastmeetings/2009/tracks/Documents/8171.pdf As can be seen, it is not very promising. The apology at the end has many entendres. We applied for the SBIR grant which was one of the initializing operations and our operation was actually used as a basis for the original RFP as I was interviewed for several days by a civilian contractor who was tasked to develop a RFP for this program. Many of the standards and other criteria were based upon the equipment which we had running at the time the contractor visited our facility in Albuquerque. Unfortunately, when it came time to select the contractor for the Phase I SBIR, we were passed over because our operating equipment was larger than what the DOD wanted, and there weren't enough PhD's on our staff so, the 2 contracts went to other entities which have been dropped from the program ether in Phase II or Phase III stages of SBIR and we have been able to achieve the small scale, flex fuel operation to power in the 100 kwe range quite successfully with significant amounts of innovation. The simplicity and efficiency is unparalleled. Some of the technologies being pursued by the DOD are at best, really stretching it. Trying to do fermentation in a portable system with any overall efficiency is really out there. Optimism about solving the problems to a cost efficient manner costs. How much it costs depends on who is doing it and how much innovation they can bring to the table. We have spent a fraction of the budgets for these projects on our solutions. Sincerely, Leland T. "Tom" Taylor President Thermogenics Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Miles <[email protected]> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:21 pm Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Stoves] Paper series small-scale ElectricityGeneration from Biomass Bill, I'm encouraged enough by what I see happening in the industry that I don't think that funding agencies should give up on the development and dissemination of small scale gasification. It is up to us to make sure there are systems out there that work. The gasification "system" includes everything from selection of the fuel through harvest, processing, gasification, generation, environmental control and safe operation. Tom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Klein Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:49 PM To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Stoves] Paper series small-scale ElectricityGeneration from Biomass Well said, Tom, but fruitless I think. Bill Klein, 3i _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list [email protected] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org http://info.bioenergylists.org _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list [email protected] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org http://info.bioenergylists.org _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list [email protected] http://listserv.repp.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_listserv.repp.org http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org http://info.bioenergylists.org
