Dear Tom,
I couldn't agree more. The point I am making is that the "system"
of choosing the technology is not working. Considering the dearth of
successful systems, what selection system would work?
So far, the DOD has not made any effort to move outside of their
current path of pursuit, and one may conclude that they will continue
to have non-successful results. There are certainly civilian
applications for this scale technology with many economic applications
of this scale inside a container or not.
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
President
Thermogenics Inc.
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From: Tom Miles <[email protected]>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:25 pm
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Tom,
This is an interesting display of organizations that have been
successful
getting DOD contracts. This doesn't seem to be a case where something
developed for NASA or DOD has applications in civilian life. It doesn't
seem
to work any better just because you "deploy" it in a container
Tom
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Subject: [Gasification] DOD result of small scale power generation
The following is a summary of the results of the Army and other
DOD entities' work in trying to do small scale waste to energy
operations:
http://e2s2.ndia.org/pastmeetings/2009/tracks/Documents/8171.pdf
As can be seen, it is not very promising. The apology at the end
has many entendres.
We applied for the SBIR grant which was one of the initializing
operations and our operation was actually used as a basis for the
original RFP as I was interviewed for several days by a civilian
contractor who was tasked to develop a RFP for this program. Many of
the standards and other criteria were based upon the equipment which we
had running at the time the contractor visited our facility in
Albuquerque.
Unfortunately, when it came time to select the contractor for
the
Phase I SBIR, we were passed over because our operating equipment was
larger than what the DOD wanted, and there weren't enough PhD's on our
staff so, the 2 contracts went to other entities which have been
dropped from the program ether in Phase II or Phase III stages of SBIR
and we have been able to achieve the small scale, flex fuel operation
to power in the 100 kwe range quite successfully with significant
amounts of innovation. The simplicity and efficiency is unparalleled.
Some of the technologies being pursued by the DOD are at best,
really stretching it. Trying to do fermentation in a portable system
with any overall efficiency is really out there.
Optimism about solving the problems to a cost efficient manner
costs. How much it costs depends on who is doing it and how much
innovation they can bring to the table. We have spent a fraction of the
budgets for these projects on our solutions.
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
President
Thermogenics Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Miles <[email protected]>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
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Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Stoves] Paper series small-scale
ElectricityGeneration from Biomass
Bill,
I'm encouraged enough by what I see happening in the industry that I
don't
think that funding agencies should give up on the development and
dissemination of small scale gasification.
It is up to us to make sure there are systems out there that work. The
gasification "system" includes everything from selection of the fuel
through
harvest, processing, gasification, generation, environmental control and
safe operation.
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Klein
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:49 PM
To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification
Subject: Re: [Gasification] [Stoves] Paper series small-scale
ElectricityGeneration from Biomass
Well said, Tom, but fruitless I think.
Bill Klein,
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