----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Gecko] Phelsuma imports and Parasite loads

Hi Don Emanuel,and all,

>All I can say is this" Let him that is without guilt cast the first stone!" I
>am growing tired of this sanctimonius way that some breeders have of wanting
>to point fingers in any direction other then themselves! When they can show
>me they dont have animals from dubious sources in their collections such as
>Phelsuma serraticauda,flavigularis, etc that arent of recent importation I
>will be happy to listen! I daresay there isnt a really good collection of
>Phelsumas in Europe that isnt in someway tainted.
 
The problem is mainly not the breeders. Lots of us (me included) have some
of this animales in there collection,there is no doubt about that.Some of these
species(most recently P.V-nigra subsp.) are collected in huge numbers in the
wild.That some of them reach responsible breeders in my opinion is good.Until
we can produce enough offspring ourself this will unfortunately continue.Most of
this animales unfortunately does not reach these breeders.Most of them are not
sold because they are Phelsumas.They are sold because the person bying them
want a green lizard.
Futher moore regarding Cites.Cites is supposed to control the trade in endangered
species.I do not know how it works in US,but it should be the same,since Cites is
a international agreement.When you apply for exportcites from Europe to Us or anywere
you have to declare the purpose with this animales.You do this with a letter.For instace
B stand for the purpose to breed them in captivity.This letter in my opinion should be one
of the easiest to get permit for.Unfortunately this is not the way it goes.Last time I exported
animales to US I was phoned by the athorities.They wondered if I could not change the letter
B to a T.The T stands for commercial.I do not know what you think,but in my eyes this is
the opposite to what Cites is supposed to be there for.

>Phelsumas reproduce far faster then tigers do and I seriously doubt that they
>are as endangered since the demand isnt what it is for Tigers on a worldwide
>scale! This doesnt make the whole thing right by any means but me thinks thou
>protests too loudly!:-)
Agree that they reproduce must faster,but they are also collected in much bigger
numbers and are very limited in there extension.


Magnus





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