Actually, I use Ensure diluted with Pedialyte and occasionally add other
goodies (egg yolk, ground up crickets, etc.) depending on the situation.
While I haven't tried it with any of my geckos, it has worked extremely
well for my chameleons. Another option would be to get some Emeraid from
your vet and mix it with Pedialyte (it's a powder). Not a bad item to
have on hand around any large collection! I'm just trying to point out
there are a lot better alternatives to cat and dog food! Julie can smack
me when she sees me at Frog Day!!!
Julie Bergman wrote:
>
> Good information from Trace! Keep in mind the dog food is not meant to
> be a long term food. If you have nothing else handy I would not hesitate
> to use it. It would be easy to eliminate the dog food part and just
> grind up crix or mealworms using Ensure as the liquid.
>
> Julie Bergman
> http://www.geckoranch.com
> GGA lifetime member
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Re: [Gecko] dog food for gut load?
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:49:50 -0700
> From: "Tracy Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hey Julie this is off listserv, I still have not fixed it, I receive but the
> replies disappear into outer space.
> Out of concern, however, I emailed Jeanna.
> Unfortunately, Hills AD can cause fatty liver in sick leopard geckos.
> This person has had 2 leo deaths, Hills cat food was possibly a factor of
> the fatty liver dianosis due to its high animal fat content.
> I just thought I would let you know.
>
> On a brighter note, Ensure diluted with 1/4 water has been used with no ill
> effects so far. I know someone who has used it for a few months with her leo
> and her weight is consistent (even gained a few grams) and is vibrant and
> active. She is finally going back to bugs, but slowly.
>
> Regards
> Trace
>
> ----------
> >From: Julie Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [Gecko] dog food for gut load?
> >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 10:30 AM
> >
>
> > Doug,
> >
> > I have used Science Diet A/D ground up with crix or mealworms in the blender
> and
> > used the puree/tube feed technique to bring back sick leos. This was
> recommended
> > to me by UC Davis vets and it works just fine. We can always order up and try
> > something that is better in theory, but what the vet recommended for Jeanna is
> > tried and proven over many years in many collections, not just mine. I am
> curious
> > as to what Dr. Donoghue what recommend here. Clearly we should not "settle" if
> > something better is out there. Right now though, the gecko needs some
> nutrition
> > and the above is quick and easy.
> >
> > Julie Bergman
> > http://www.geckoranch.com
> > GGA lifetime member
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Johnston wrote:
> >
> >> Jeanna...
> >>
> >> I really wouldn't use dog food (or cat food). While it's composition is
> >> known, it is developed for mammal carnivores. I would recommend you
> >> investigate Nutrition Support Services (http://www.HerpNutrition.com/).
> >> The owner (Dr. Susan Donoghue) is a vet/nutritionist who developed her
> >> products with feeding trials over the last 10 years. She has insect
> >> dusts, but she also has insect diets. She lists many different herps,
> >> but unfortunately geckos are not listed. Send her a note and ask which
> >> diet and/or dusts to use. She is very responsive. BTW... I know she used
> >> Phelsuma in her trials. I'm not sure about leos.
> >>
> >> Jeanna Morgan-Kienzle wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hello all
> >> > I took my sick leo to the vet yesterday to be de-wormed. They gave ger
> >> > Panacur and Flagyl.
> >> > He is also having me force feed her from a syringe with a long rubber tube
> >> > on the end so she doesn't hurt her jaw. He gave me some kind of
> >> > canine/feline food called AD to dilute 50/50 with water. I am to also give
> >> > her crix if she wants to eat them. she has lost about 20 g.
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone ever fed dog food to their herps? He also suggested to gutload
> >> > the crix with crushed up dog kibble??? His thoughts being that we know the
> >> > nutritional value of dog food but no one knows what is in that cricket food
> >> > stuff. Of course if Im feediing the crix fruit and veggies, I guess I know
> >> > the nutritional value of those.
> >> >
> >> > This morning she had very waterey stool, but she did have a belly full of
> >> > liquid food and meds. She took her "breakfast" fine today and I will try
> >> > some crix tonight after work.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > -Jeanna
--
Doug Johnston
www.ncal.verio.com/~scubadug
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