I just noticed my confused wording on my previous post...
Just to be clear... Emeraid is a powder developed to give nutritional
support to birds. Pedialyte is, of course, an electrolyte fluid.
Doug Johnston wrote:
>
> Actually, I use Ensure diluted with Pedialyte and occasionally add other
> goodies (egg yolk, ground up crickets, etc.) depending on the situation.
> While I haven't tried it with any of my geckos, it has worked extremely
> well for my chameleons. Another option would be to get some Emeraid from
> your vet and mix it with Pedialyte (it's a powder). Not a bad item to
> have on hand around any large collection! I'm just trying to point out
> there are a lot better alternatives to cat and dog food! Julie can smack
> me when she sees me at Frog Day!!!
>
> Julie Bergman wrote:
> >
> > Good information from Trace! Keep in mind the dog food is not meant to
> > be a long term food. If you have nothing else handy I would not hesitate
> > to use it. It would be easy to eliminate the dog food part and just
> > grind up crix or mealworms using Ensure as the liquid.
> >
> > Julie Bergman
> > http://www.geckoranch.com
> > GGA lifetime member
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Gecko] dog food for gut load?
> > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:49:50 -0700
> > From: "Tracy Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Hey Julie this is off listserv, I still have not fixed it, I receive but the
> > replies disappear into outer space.
> > Out of concern, however, I emailed Jeanna.
> > Unfortunately, Hills AD can cause fatty liver in sick leopard geckos.
> > This person has had 2 leo deaths, Hills cat food was possibly a factor of
> > the fatty liver dianosis due to its high animal fat content.
> > I just thought I would let you know.
> >
> > On a brighter note, Ensure diluted with 1/4 water has been used with no ill
> > effects so far. I know someone who has used it for a few months with her leo
> > and her weight is consistent (even gained a few grams) and is vibrant and
> > active. She is finally going back to bugs, but slowly.
> >
> > Regards
> > Trace
> >
> > ----------
> > >From: Julie Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [Gecko] dog food for gut load?
> > >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 10:30 AM
> > >
> >
> > > Doug,
> > >
> > > I have used Science Diet A/D ground up with crix or mealworms in the blender
> > and
> > > used the puree/tube feed technique to bring back sick leos. This was
> > recommended
> > > to me by UC Davis vets and it works just fine. We can always order up and try
> > > something that is better in theory, but what the vet recommended for Jeanna is
> > > tried and proven over many years in many collections, not just mine. I am
> > curious
> > > as to what Dr. Donoghue what recommend here. Clearly we should not "settle" if
> > > something better is out there. Right now though, the gecko needs some
> > nutrition
> > > and the above is quick and easy.
> > >
> > > Julie Bergman
> > > http://www.geckoranch.com
> > > GGA lifetime member
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug Johnston wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jeanna...
> > >>
> > >> I really wouldn't use dog food (or cat food). While it's composition is
> > >> known, it is developed for mammal carnivores. I would recommend you
> > >> investigate Nutrition Support Services (http://www.HerpNutrition.com/).
> > >> The owner (Dr. Susan Donoghue) is a vet/nutritionist who developed her
> > >> products with feeding trials over the last 10 years. She has insect
> > >> dusts, but she also has insect diets. She lists many different herps,
> > >> but unfortunately geckos are not listed. Send her a note and ask which
> > >> diet and/or dusts to use. She is very responsive. BTW... I know she used
> > >> Phelsuma in her trials. I'm not sure about leos.
> > >>
> > >> Jeanna Morgan-Kienzle wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello all
> > >> > I took my sick leo to the vet yesterday to be de-wormed. They gave ger
> > >> > Panacur and Flagyl.
> > >> > He is also having me force feed her from a syringe with a long rubber tube
> > >> > on the end so she doesn't hurt her jaw. He gave me some kind of
> > >> > canine/feline food called AD to dilute 50/50 with water. I am to also give
> > >> > her crix if she wants to eat them. she has lost about 20 g.
> > >> >
> > >> > Has anyone ever fed dog food to their herps? He also suggested to gutload
> > >> > the crix with crushed up dog kibble??? His thoughts being that we know the
> > >> > nutritional value of dog food but no one knows what is in that cricket food
> > >> > stuff. Of course if Im feediing the crix fruit and veggies, I guess I know
> > >> > the nutritional value of those.
> > >> >
> > >> > This morning she had very waterey stool, but she did have a belly full of
> > >> > liquid food and meds. She took her "breakfast" fine today and I will try
> > >> > some crix tonight after work.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> >
> > >> > -Jeanna
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