Freezer is a cruel way to die.  It could take minutes for something to die.
You might as well start cutting body parts off if you want it to die slow
and painfully.  Humane would be a shot.  The animal has suffered enough, why
let it suffer more sitting in a freezer alive while it takes the minutes to
lower its metabolism rate to the point where the animal is finally rendered
unconscious and hopefully dead?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Magnus Forsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Julie Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> > Greetings! I am looking forward to hearing your talk!
>
> Thank you,I hope that you will enjoy it.
>
> >So you think this is a case of really bad rubber jaw, eh? Could very well
> be. Thanks for the input,
>
> It is only a guess,but I think it sounds like it.Do you know if they have
> putten it out to get a closer look ?
> When they try to get it out it will be stressed, an for sure show the
> typical weard movments of a soft boned
> Gecko.If this is the case my opinion is that the animal have gone to far
and
> the freezer is the most humain
> alternative.
>
> Se you in Daytona
> Magnus
>
> > Yuri and Magnus!
> >
> > Julie B.
> >
> > Magnus Forsberg wrote:
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Julie Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Gecko list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:52 PM
> > > Subject: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
> > >
> > > Hi Julie and all,
> > >
> > > My guess is lack of calcium in the jawboones.The reasoon of course is
> lack
> > > of
> > > calcium , D3 Vitamin or the wrong calcium-phosforus balance.When it
jave
> > > gone
> > > far the animales are not able to close its mouth.I looks as if they
are
> > > unable to but
> > > the reasoon is the soft boones that bends the mouth open.
> > >
> > > Magnus
> > >
> > > > A gal called me the other day with a four month old grandis
> experiencing
> > > > a number of health problems due to neglect while the owners were on
> > > > vacation. The poor gecko spends a lot of time on the ground,
> indicating
> > > > illness, barely eats and has their mouth open all the time. A vet
told
> > > > her this was due to hypocalcemia, however, I have trouble
> rationalizing
> > > > this. I would suspect a respiratory or mouth/throat problem. The
poor
> > > > thing is being fed Nutrical and a few drops Neocalglucon daily. The
> > > > gecko won't take crickets, but started to eat the apricot babyfood I
> > > > recommended.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas or suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Julie Bergman
> > > > http://www.geckoranch.com
> > > > GGA lifetime member
> >
> >
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