----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
Hi Chris and all,
I guess you did miss the point here ! The animal is suffering from
something,maybe as I
previously guessed from lack of calcium in the skeleton. If that is the case
here , the animal
have passed all treatment and should be put to sleep(not sleeping in the
meening of the word).
If the person that owns this particular animal preferes to put it in the
freezer or as you suggest
shot it was not the issue.
Regarding responsibility for your animales, this is the piont were one must
understand that trying
any longer just makes the animal suffer moore.Some way you have to put it
down.The way that
Dilshad suggested with a lethal injection would make the animal suffer even
moore from stress.
The organs do as you said chrystalize when freezing,but that occurs long
after the animal is uncon-
sious.The moost humane way according to some zoo vets is still the freezer.
I guess you love me even moore now Chris.
Magnus
Magnus
> Freezer is a cruel way to die. It could take minutes for something to
die.
> You might as well start cutting body parts off if you want it to die slow
> and painfully. Humane would be a shot. The animal has suffered enough,
why
> let it suffer more sitting in a freezer alive while it takes the minutes
to
> lower its metabolism rate to the point where the animal is finally
rendered
> unconscious and hopefully dead?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Magnus Forsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 5:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 6:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
> >
> > Hi Julie,
> >
> > > Greetings! I am looking forward to hearing your talk!
> >
> > Thank you,I hope that you will enjoy it.
> >
> > >So you think this is a case of really bad rubber jaw, eh? Could very
well
> > be. Thanks for the input,
> >
> > It is only a guess,but I think it sounds like it.Do you know if they
have
> > putten it out to get a closer look ?
> > When they try to get it out it will be stressed, an for sure show the
> > typical weard movments of a soft boned
> > Gecko.If this is the case my opinion is that the animal have gone to far
> and
> > the freezer is the most humain
> > alternative.
> >
> > Se you in Daytona
> > Magnus
> >
> > > Yuri and Magnus!
> > >
> > > Julie B.
> > >
> > > Magnus Forsberg wrote:
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Julie Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Gecko list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:52 PM
> > > > Subject: [Gecko] P.m. grandis with open mouth
> > > >
> > > > Hi Julie and all,
> > > >
> > > > My guess is lack of calcium in the jawboones.The reasoon of course
is
> > lack
> > > > of
> > > > calcium , D3 Vitamin or the wrong calcium-phosforus balance.When it
> jave
> > > > gone
> > > > far the animales are not able to close its mouth.I looks as if they
> are
> > > > unable to but
> > > > the reasoon is the soft boones that bends the mouth open.
> > > >
> > > > Magnus
> > > >
> > > > > A gal called me the other day with a four month old grandis
> > experiencing
> > > > > a number of health problems due to neglect while the owners were
on
> > > > > vacation. The poor gecko spends a lot of time on the ground,
> > indicating
> > > > > illness, barely eats and has their mouth open all the time. A vet
> told
> > > > > her this was due to hypocalcemia, however, I have trouble
> > rationalizing
> > > > > this. I would suspect a respiratory or mouth/throat problem. The
> poor
> > > > > thing is being fed Nutrical and a few drops Neocalglucon daily.
The
> > > > > gecko won't take crickets, but started to eat the apricot babyfood
I
> > > > > recommended.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas or suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Julie Bergman
> > > > > http://www.geckoranch.com
> > > > > GGA lifetime member
> > >
> > >
> >
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