Socrates dihukum mati, korban demokrasi : https://www.hukum-hukum.com/2020/07/bahaya-racun-mematikan-demokrasi.html Zaman sekarang demokrasi digerogoti oleh liberalisme sepertri yang terjadi di Amerika sekarang. Beberapa % orang gterkaya yang menguasai mass media dapat menentukan hasil pemilihan umum yang "demokratis" ( one man one vote" ). Demokrasi masih jalan cukup baik di negeri2 kecil seperti Finlandia dll.
Op wo 15 dec. 2021 om 10:53 schreef Jaya Suprana <[email protected]>: > *DEMOKRASI BANYAK-MUKA 😁* > > Pada tanggal Rab, 15 Des 2021 pukul 09.15 BILLY GUNADIE < > [email protected]> menulis: > >> Kelihatanya Demokrasi itu banyak mukanya.... Cocok apa yang dikatakan >> Oleh Socrates...Demokrasi Barat... >> >> Sent from Rogers Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >> >> On Tue., Dec. 14, 2021 at 8:50 p.m., Chan CT >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Diakui atau tidak, dalam kenyataan kehidupan masyarakat yang konkrit >> dihadapi, yang jalankan sistem multi partai didunia ini, makin banyak >> parpol bukan membuktikan makin “demokrasi”, sebaliknya membuktikan makin >> terjadi PERPECAHAN dalam masyarakat itu! Artinya, BELUM ada satu PARTAI pun >> yang berhasil MEMPERSATUKAN mayoritas mutlak rakyat disitu! Dalam >> kenyataaan, rakyat masih terpecah, terkotak-kotak dalam >> kepentingan-kepentingan banyak parpol yang ada, ...! >> >> Lalu, begitu menekankan jalankan sistem demokrasi dengan pemilu, yang >> terjadi pertarungan antar kepentingan parpol. BUKAN mengutamakan dan >> memprioritaskan kepentingan rakyat banyak! Pergantian kekuasaan yang >> terjadi, hanyalah manifestasi kemenangan kepentingan dan pergantian >> kelompok oligarki yang satu ke yang lain. BUKAN dan tidak pernah >> betul-betul mewakili kepentingan rakyat banyak. Sebaliknya kepentingan >> rakyat banyak selalu yang dikebawahkan kalau tidak hendak menyatakan yang >> DIKORBANKAN! Itulah yang terjadi dinegara-negara yang mengaku negara >> “DEMOKRASI”, khususnya Amerika itu, ... >> >> Berbeda dengan RRT, Republik Rakyat Tiongkok yang baru saja melewati >> ultah ke-70 dan 100 tahun PKT nya itu, bukan saja membuktikan kejayaan >> Jalan Sosialisme Berkarakter Tiongkok yang ditempuh, tapi juga kehebatan >> DEMOKRASI yang dijalankan Tiongkok dengan sistim PKT, partai tunggal yang >> menjalankan pemerintah dan berhasil mendapatkan dukungan lebih 90% 1,4 >> milyar Rakyat Tiongkok! Dan, tentunya dengan keberhasilan pembangunan >> ekonomi, teknologi, kekuatan militer dan budaya yang menakjubkan dunia itu, >> ... Dalam mengatasi dan mengendalikan pandemi Covid-19 yang pertama merebak >> di Wuhan, sumbangan vaksin pada dunia dan membebaskan lebih 700 juta >> rakyatnya dari kemiskinan-absolut, ....! Membuat rakyat Tiongkok hidup >> lebih sejahtera dan bahagia, ...! >> >> Canadian vlogger: China's people's democracy makes people's lives better >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYQIzl28WQ >> >> *From:* BILLY GUNADIE >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 7:11 AM >> *To:* [email protected] ; Indra Azali >> *Cc:* Chan CT ; Jaya Suprana ; GELORA45_In >> *Subject:* Re: [GELORA45] In China, democracy is "people-oriented." >> >> Apakah die Partei Immer recht? >> >> Sent from Rogers Yahoo Mail on Android >> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >> >> >> On Tue., Dec. 14, 2021 at 4:15 a.m., Sunny ambon >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Die Partei hat immer Recht. >> >> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:07 AM 'Indra Azali' via GELORA45 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> China has tried multiparty in the past. it does not reform for people so >> election of multiparty did not work and cost to much energy and money for >> media campaigned and hoax. And China use selection process from party >> village to top level of 2.5 million CPC party member. Does China select >> professional that are not yet Cpc member. That is part of option While >> Indonesia is multiparty yet the direction of nation is based populous >> religion not people center in different region. So the consolidation of >> party become executive to keep changing the executive ministerial quota. >> That is only between political elite for quota. >> >> On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:08:49 PM GMT+7, Jaya Suprana < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> *NOT THE ONLY ONE PARTY ORIENTED ? 😁 * >> >> Pada tanggal Sen, 13 Des 2021 pukul 10.45 Chan CT <[email protected]> >> menulis: >> >> *Good article sharing* >> *In China, democracy is "people-oriented." * >> >> I am Malaysian Chinese. When my grandfather was young, he used to fight >> with the horses in the forests of the Malay Peninsula, so he didn't have a >> good impression of the Communist Party. In 1998, I came to China to do >> mobile network. At that time, Beijing still used donkey carts to collect >> wastewater. I saw farmers driving ducks on the side of the road. The fruit >> vendor downstairs in the hotel asked me if I wanted a young lady. Later, >> China was the same year after year. During these 23 years, I witnessed >> China's development and witnessed with my own eyes what the Communist Party >> did for the people. >> >> Many democracies are actually "you, the people, we lead." *In China, >> democracy is "people-oriented."* For example, there is a 12345 hotline >> in China. After the people call it, government personnel will follow this >> case, and then the timing will start. For example, the roadside was very >> noisy, and the soundproof fence was installed soon. Problems that cannot >> be solved will be entered into the system's big data. Once the government >> finds that this is a common problem, it will issue a policy to solve >> similar problems all at once. The central government also judges the >> performance of local governments based on big data and the efficiency of >> local governments in solving problems. This is democracy, democracy that >> operates every day. Is it better to give feedback to the government than >> to demonstrate? >> >> Regardless of infrastructure, social security, people's livelihood, >> environment, and greening issues, the government did it before the people >> said it. No one said that high-speed rail is needed, and the high-speed >> rail is here. The 300 km/h speed is still hot, the 600 km/h speed is >> coming soon. Capitals like Ant Financial who want to harvest future money >> are controlled by the government before the people find out. In order to >> solve the pollution problem, the government heavily subsidizes tram >> factories and develops trams. China is now the country with the most >> trams. In the past 30 years, 25% of the trees planted globally were in >> China. China is now safe, modern, convenient, colorful, free and happy. >> Whether it is the new crown or a natural disaster, the Chinese government >> can completely stop the economy and save people the first time. >> >> In a democratic country, there is an election every four to five years. >> What the hell is democracy? When the election results come out, one side >> is happy and the other side is sad. This result can only be said to >> represent the will of a part of the people. If it is a one-sided victory, >> then the result represents the will of most people, but isn't this a >> one-party ruling? Because the voice of the opposition party is gone. >> Quite contradictory. One-person, one-vote democracy is based on security, >> but an extremely negative system is inherently inadequate. Just like a >> person, afraid of car accidents, so he doesn't take a car, he prefers to >> walk. They said that democracy is good because the government can be >> changed, but in most cases, the soup can be changed without changing the >> medicine. After the previous government project was cancelled, the new >> government proposed new projects to pump oil and water. On the first day >> the government was established, the country and the people were divided >> into parties and divided. Some political parties also play racial issues >> to gain support. With this kind of democracy, your achievements are >> tantamount to my disadvantage. Therefore, the better ideas you have, the >> less I oppose the party. It is best if you do nothing, and I will have a >> chance next time. >> >> Democracy is like a couple who don’t trust each other. They find problems >> with each other. They quarrel for more time than taking care of their >> children. Will the children be happy? >> *I personally feel that it is not logical for the opposition party to do >> check and balance. It should be done by a subject without such >> contradictory relations*. I have never seen other countries like China >> where the people and the government have such a tacit understanding. >> Everyone seems to have a kind of family-like trust. On the other hand, the >> content of the chat during the meal is to scold the government, and it is >> useless to scold him. Anyway, during his tenure, he is a legitimate >> dictator. >> >> A democratic country will not make long-term plans for the people, >> because he will not necessarily be in power next term. After a five-year >> term, will they come up with a plan to see results in seven years? No, >> because voters will say goodbye to them if they can't see the result within >> five years, so they will only do something to fill in. At the time of the >> election, everything is agreed, but structural issues cannot be changed >> without drastic actions. In this political atmosphere, it is impossible to >> make drastic measures. Therefore, after the election, the promised things >> can only be ignored, and then do something about it. Kung Fu deceives the >> people. The people turned there, holding back, like boiling frogs in warm >> water, jumping to another pot and continuing to cook. In China, you can do >> whatever you want, even the most difficult poverty problem can be solved. >> China's per capita GDP is only 1/5 of that of the United States, but the >> extreme poverty rate is less than 1%, compared to 12% in the United >> States. It is conceivable how determined the Chinese government is. The >> Chinese only look at the results. If the government does a poor job, >> internal doubts and internal adjustments will arise, because if they do not >> change, the situation will become serious. What awaits them is the billions >> of people uprooting the government and starting anew. >> >> Another Achilles heel of democracy is that when campaigning, people >> choose only by their impressions. Whoever puts in more propaganda and >> bragging will have a better chance of being elected. For example, Trump, >> who has not even managed a village before, has become president. Four >> years later, serious damage has been caused. >> When unidentified pneumonia appeared in the United States in July 2019, >> Trump blamed the problem on e-cigarettes and covered up the problem. >> China’s leadership is based on merit. And accountability is very high, and >> those who make mistakes must take responsibility. >> >> The Chinese nation has always reached its peak in a centralized >> environment, such as the Han, Tang, and Song dynasties. Only because of >> centralization can peace and peace can develop. When there is more than >> one force, there will be struggle, without exception, such as: Three >> Kingdoms, Kuomintang-Communist Party, Warring States Period, Chu Han. >> Therefore, multi-party democracy is not suitable for China and there is no >> alternative. In a small place like Taiwan, multi-party struggles are most >> often caused by fights in the parliament, and economic development is >> slow. With a population of 1.4 billion in mainland China, the multi-party >> struggle will starve many people to death. >> >> Many people think that a one-party system is a dictatorship. My >> democratic country, Malaysia, once had a corrupt dictator Mahathir who had >> been in power for 22 years. Indonesia is also democratic. Suharto has been >> dictating for 30 years and embezzling for 30 years. They win every >> election because they buy votes and control the media. Singapore is a >> one-party leader, but it has one of the cleanest governments in the world. >> Libya is the richest country in Africa under the dictatorship of Gaddafi. >> After being "liberated" by NATO bombing, terrorists, refugees and black >> slaves breed. The United States says it is democracy, but it is actually a >> capital dictatorship. Capital has one foot on one party, and everyone >> chooses it at will. The bigger the consortium, the more it likes >> democracy, because the more money spent on election campaigns, the higher >> the chance of winning. >> >> So ideology is deceptive. Deng Xiaoping realized this, gave up the >> pursuit of ideology, and became pragmatic, and China has undergone >> earth-shaking changes. China’s five-year plan is based on the data of this >> research institute and that research institute, and is drawn up in a >> scientific way and clearly written. The next five years are to complete >> tasks. If the leadership team is changed, the plan will remain unchanged. >> Of. Is this a dictatorship? Formulating policies based on facts and >> science is the best way to combat dictatorship. >> >> Westerners always talk about the Chinese communist. What is the >> definition of communism? "All assets are a system shared by society." Is >> it like this in China now? I have a Chinese colleague who owns more than >> 20 properties, a private enterprise. Since Deng Xiaoping's black cat and >> white cat, China has stopped pursuing communism. The current political >> system in China is: socialism + meritocracy + local democracy + Confucian >> values. The economic system is: a mixed market economy (state-owned >> capital + private capital). Capitalism only recognizes one thing: profit. >> It does not care about social welfare. But the powerful aspect of capital >> is economic power, like a powerful engine. The American system, capital >> first, is like a sports car without a brake system, so there are many rich >> people, and many people live under the bridge. China uses a market economy >> on the basis of socialism, which not only takes care of the poor, but also >> allows capital to drive the economy. It is a car with an engine, a >> steering wheel, and a brake system. China refers to the ancient imperial >> examination system and promotes talents. A "big talk" like Trump cannot be >> a leader in China. In addition, at the village level, the people have the >> right to vote. Generally speaking, the whole system follows the Confucian >> culture: loving the people, loyal to the country, loyal to one's post, >> filial piety to the elders, and so on. >> The Chinese system has a traditional side and an adaptive side. In >> China, the people cannot change the government, but the system is always >> changing. In the United States, people can change governments, but the >> system remains the same. If you have to give the Chinese system an >> acronym, I think it should be called Whateverworkism. >> >> Is the Chinese system the best in the world? It can only be said that it >> is most suitable for China. The Nordic system is called Social democracy. >> It is more successful in implementing democracy based on socialist values >> because it suits them. The liberal democracy of world powers such as the >> United States, Britain, France, and India is obviously not good. >> Negativity, demonstrations, strikes, large gaps between the rich and the >> poor. The biggest mistake of the world is that when the country does not >> advance, it still sticks to its ideology and does not want to change. It >> is ridiculous that the United States also wants to impose its bad system on >> other countries. I have to admire the Chinese government. Under the >> pressure of the world's ideology, it still insists on taking the path that >> it thinks is correct. After the Tiananmen Square incident, the Chinese >> government endured the humiliation and did not refute the rumors to the >> outside world and made silent efforts. After the Hong Kong riots, we >> learned that Tiananmen Square was actually done by the United States, and >> it really felt unfair for the Communist Party. >> >> In human history, the rise of powers in the past, whether it is ancient >> Greece, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Japanese Empire, Germany, >> or the U.S., was accompanied by wars, casualties, colonization, plunder, >> and slavery. In 1979, China’s per capita GDP was a bit lower than India’s, >> and now it is five times that of India. China’s rise is greater than that >> of any empire, but China has not sent a bullet to other countries for more >> than 30 years. Not only that, but China's development has also driven the >> global economy. China’s success lies in its: peace-based, people’s >> interests, long-term planning, scientific management, results-oriented, and >> a sense of crisis. Deng Xiaoping made some people rich first, and Xi >> Jinping helped the poor. After two generations of leadership, China's >> policy is still so coherent. This is the effect of scientific governance >> of the country. Regardless of what is said outside, the achievements of >> the Communist Party are facts before our eyes. >> >> For most of the past two thousand years, China was the strongest and most >> advanced country in the world, but in the past two hundred years because of >> opium, China missed the Industrial Revolution and was forced to catch up. >> The IQ per capita in China is 105, and that of Westerners is 95. China has >> a large population and is hardworking, no worse than Westerners. >> Westerners now account for only 14% of the global population, but they >> account for 56% of the world’s wealth. 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