Pikir2 A Hok lebih beruntung dari Socrates............ Op wo 15 dec. 2021 om 12:47 schreef kh djie <[email protected]>:
> Socrates dihukum mati, korban demokrasi : > https://www.hukum-hukum.com/2020/07/bahaya-racun-mematikan-demokrasi.html > Zaman sekarang demokrasi digerogoti oleh liberalisme sepertri yang terjadi > di Amerika sekarang. Beberapa % orang gterkaya yang menguasai mass media > dapat menentukan hasil pemilihan umum yang "demokratis" ( one man one vote" > ). Demokrasi masih jalan cukup baik di negeri2 kecil seperti Finlandia dll. > > Op wo 15 dec. 2021 om 10:53 schreef Jaya Suprana <[email protected]>: > >> *DEMOKRASI BANYAK-MUKA 😁* >> >> Pada tanggal Rab, 15 Des 2021 pukul 09.15 BILLY GUNADIE < >> [email protected]> menulis: >> >>> Kelihatanya Demokrasi itu banyak mukanya.... Cocok apa yang dikatakan >>> Oleh Socrates...Demokrasi Barat... >>> >>> Sent from Rogers Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >>> >>> On Tue., Dec. 14, 2021 at 8:50 p.m., Chan CT >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Diakui atau tidak, dalam kenyataan kehidupan masyarakat yang konkrit >>> dihadapi, yang jalankan sistem multi partai didunia ini, makin banyak >>> parpol bukan membuktikan makin “demokrasi”, sebaliknya membuktikan makin >>> terjadi PERPECAHAN dalam masyarakat itu! Artinya, BELUM ada satu PARTAI pun >>> yang berhasil MEMPERSATUKAN mayoritas mutlak rakyat disitu! Dalam >>> kenyataaan, rakyat masih terpecah, terkotak-kotak dalam >>> kepentingan-kepentingan banyak parpol yang ada, ...! >>> >>> Lalu, begitu menekankan jalankan sistem demokrasi dengan pemilu, yang >>> terjadi pertarungan antar kepentingan parpol. BUKAN mengutamakan dan >>> memprioritaskan kepentingan rakyat banyak! Pergantian kekuasaan yang >>> terjadi, hanyalah manifestasi kemenangan kepentingan dan pergantian >>> kelompok oligarki yang satu ke yang lain. BUKAN dan tidak pernah >>> betul-betul mewakili kepentingan rakyat banyak. Sebaliknya kepentingan >>> rakyat banyak selalu yang dikebawahkan kalau tidak hendak menyatakan yang >>> DIKORBANKAN! Itulah yang terjadi dinegara-negara yang mengaku negara >>> “DEMOKRASI”, khususnya Amerika itu, ... >>> >>> Berbeda dengan RRT, Republik Rakyat Tiongkok yang baru saja melewati >>> ultah ke-70 dan 100 tahun PKT nya itu, bukan saja membuktikan kejayaan >>> Jalan Sosialisme Berkarakter Tiongkok yang ditempuh, tapi juga kehebatan >>> DEMOKRASI yang dijalankan Tiongkok dengan sistim PKT, partai tunggal yang >>> menjalankan pemerintah dan berhasil mendapatkan dukungan lebih 90% 1,4 >>> milyar Rakyat Tiongkok! Dan, tentunya dengan keberhasilan pembangunan >>> ekonomi, teknologi, kekuatan militer dan budaya yang menakjubkan dunia itu, >>> ... Dalam mengatasi dan mengendalikan pandemi Covid-19 yang pertama merebak >>> di Wuhan, sumbangan vaksin pada dunia dan membebaskan lebih 700 juta >>> rakyatnya dari kemiskinan-absolut, ....! Membuat rakyat Tiongkok hidup >>> lebih sejahtera dan bahagia, ...! >>> >>> Canadian vlogger: China's people's democracy makes people's lives better >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQYQIzl28WQ >>> >>> *From:* BILLY GUNADIE >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 15, 2021 7:11 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] ; Indra Azali >>> *Cc:* Chan CT ; Jaya Suprana ; GELORA45_In >>> *Subject:* Re: [GELORA45] In China, democracy is "people-oriented." >>> >>> Apakah die Partei Immer recht? >>> >>> Sent from Rogers Yahoo Mail on Android >>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature> >>> >>> >>> On Tue., Dec. 14, 2021 at 4:15 a.m., Sunny ambon >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Die Partei hat immer Recht. >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 8:07 AM 'Indra Azali' via GELORA45 < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> China has tried multiparty in the past. it does not reform for people >>> so election of multiparty did not work and cost to much energy and money >>> for media campaigned and hoax. And China use selection process from party >>> village to top level of 2.5 million CPC party member. Does China select >>> professional that are not yet Cpc member. That is part of option While >>> Indonesia is multiparty yet the direction of nation is based populous >>> religion not people center in different region. So the consolidation of >>> party become executive to keep changing the executive ministerial quota. >>> That is only between political elite for quota. >>> >>> On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:08:49 PM GMT+7, Jaya Suprana < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> *NOT THE ONLY ONE PARTY ORIENTED ? 😁 * >>> >>> Pada tanggal Sen, 13 Des 2021 pukul 10.45 Chan CT <[email protected]> >>> menulis: >>> >>> *Good article sharing* >>> *In China, democracy is "people-oriented." * >>> >>> I am Malaysian Chinese. When my grandfather was young, he used to fight >>> with the horses in the forests of the Malay Peninsula, so he didn't have a >>> good impression of the Communist Party. In 1998, I came to China to do >>> mobile network. At that time, Beijing still used donkey carts to collect >>> wastewater. I saw farmers driving ducks on the side of the road. The fruit >>> vendor downstairs in the hotel asked me if I wanted a young lady. Later, >>> China was the same year after year. During these 23 years, I witnessed >>> China's development and witnessed with my own eyes what the Communist Party >>> did for the people. >>> >>> Many democracies are actually "you, the people, we lead." *In China, >>> democracy is "people-oriented."* For example, there is a 12345 hotline >>> in China. After the people call it, government personnel will follow this >>> case, and then the timing will start. For example, the roadside was very >>> noisy, and the soundproof fence was installed soon. Problems that cannot >>> be solved will be entered into the system's big data. Once the government >>> finds that this is a common problem, it will issue a policy to solve >>> similar problems all at once. The central government also judges the >>> performance of local governments based on big data and the efficiency of >>> local governments in solving problems. This is democracy, democracy that >>> operates every day. Is it better to give feedback to the government than >>> to demonstrate? >>> >>> Regardless of infrastructure, social security, people's livelihood, >>> environment, and greening issues, the government did it before the people >>> said it. No one said that high-speed rail is needed, and the high-speed >>> rail is here. The 300 km/h speed is still hot, the 600 km/h speed is >>> coming soon. Capitals like Ant Financial who want to harvest future money >>> are controlled by the government before the people find out. In order to >>> solve the pollution problem, the government heavily subsidizes tram >>> factories and develops trams. China is now the country with the most >>> trams. In the past 30 years, 25% of the trees planted globally were in >>> China. China is now safe, modern, convenient, colorful, free and happy. >>> Whether it is the new crown or a natural disaster, the Chinese government >>> can completely stop the economy and save people the first time. >>> >>> In a democratic country, there is an election every four to five years. >>> What the hell is democracy? When the election results come out, one side >>> is happy and the other side is sad. This result can only be said to >>> represent the will of a part of the people. If it is a one-sided victory, >>> then the result represents the will of most people, but isn't this a >>> one-party ruling? Because the voice of the opposition party is gone. >>> Quite contradictory. One-person, one-vote democracy is based on security, >>> but an extremely negative system is inherently inadequate. Just like a >>> person, afraid of car accidents, so he doesn't take a car, he prefers to >>> walk. They said that democracy is good because the government can be >>> changed, but in most cases, the soup can be changed without changing the >>> medicine. After the previous government project was cancelled, the new >>> government proposed new projects to pump oil and water. On the first day >>> the government was established, the country and the people were divided >>> into parties and divided. Some political parties also play racial issues >>> to gain support. With this kind of democracy, your achievements are >>> tantamount to my disadvantage. Therefore, the better ideas you have, the >>> less I oppose the party. It is best if you do nothing, and I will have a >>> chance next time. >>> >>> Democracy is like a couple who don’t trust each other. They find >>> problems with each other. They quarrel for more time than taking care of >>> their children. Will the children be happy? >>> *I personally feel that it is not logical for the opposition party to do >>> check and balance. It should be done by a subject without such >>> contradictory relations*. I have never seen other countries like China >>> where the people and the government have such a tacit understanding. >>> Everyone seems to have a kind of family-like trust. On the other hand, the >>> content of the chat during the meal is to scold the government, and it is >>> useless to scold him. Anyway, during his tenure, he is a legitimate >>> dictator. >>> >>> A democratic country will not make long-term plans for the people, >>> because he will not necessarily be in power next term. After a five-year >>> term, will they come up with a plan to see results in seven years? No, >>> because voters will say goodbye to them if they can't see the result within >>> five years, so they will only do something to fill in. At the time of the >>> election, everything is agreed, but structural issues cannot be changed >>> without drastic actions. In this political atmosphere, it is impossible to >>> make drastic measures. Therefore, after the election, the promised things >>> can only be ignored, and then do something about it. Kung Fu deceives the >>> people. The people turned there, holding back, like boiling frogs in warm >>> water, jumping to another pot and continuing to cook. In China, you can do >>> whatever you want, even the most difficult poverty problem can be solved. >>> China's per capita GDP is only 1/5 of that of the United States, but the >>> extreme poverty rate is less than 1%, compared to 12% in the United >>> States. It is conceivable how determined the Chinese government is. The >>> Chinese only look at the results. If the government does a poor job, >>> internal doubts and internal adjustments will arise, because if they do not >>> change, the situation will become serious. What awaits them is the billions >>> of people uprooting the government and starting anew. >>> >>> Another Achilles heel of democracy is that when campaigning, people >>> choose only by their impressions. Whoever puts in more propaganda and >>> bragging will have a better chance of being elected. For example, Trump, >>> who has not even managed a village before, has become president. Four >>> years later, serious damage has been caused. >>> When unidentified pneumonia appeared in the United States in July 2019, >>> Trump blamed the problem on e-cigarettes and covered up the problem. >>> China’s leadership is based on merit. And accountability is very high, and >>> those who make mistakes must take responsibility. >>> >>> The Chinese nation has always reached its peak in a centralized >>> environment, such as the Han, Tang, and Song dynasties. Only because of >>> centralization can peace and peace can develop. When there is more than >>> one force, there will be struggle, without exception, such as: Three >>> Kingdoms, Kuomintang-Communist Party, Warring States Period, Chu Han. >>> Therefore, multi-party democracy is not suitable for China and there is no >>> alternative. In a small place like Taiwan, multi-party struggles are most >>> often caused by fights in the parliament, and economic development is >>> slow. With a population of 1.4 billion in mainland China, the multi-party >>> struggle will starve many people to death. >>> >>> Many people think that a one-party system is a dictatorship. My >>> democratic country, Malaysia, once had a corrupt dictator Mahathir who had >>> been in power for 22 years. Indonesia is also democratic. Suharto has been >>> dictating for 30 years and embezzling for 30 years. They win every >>> election because they buy votes and control the media. Singapore is a >>> one-party leader, but it has one of the cleanest governments in the world. >>> Libya is the richest country in Africa under the dictatorship of Gaddafi. >>> After being "liberated" by NATO bombing, terrorists, refugees and black >>> slaves breed. The United States says it is democracy, but it is actually a >>> capital dictatorship. Capital has one foot on one party, and everyone >>> chooses it at will. The bigger the consortium, the more it likes >>> democracy, because the more money spent on election campaigns, the higher >>> the chance of winning. >>> >>> So ideology is deceptive. Deng Xiaoping realized this, gave up the >>> pursuit of ideology, and became pragmatic, and China has undergone >>> earth-shaking changes. China’s five-year plan is based on the data of this >>> research institute and that research institute, and is drawn up in a >>> scientific way and clearly written. The next five years are to complete >>> tasks. If the leadership team is changed, the plan will remain unchanged. >>> Of. Is this a dictatorship? Formulating policies based on facts and >>> science is the best way to combat dictatorship. >>> >>> Westerners always talk about the Chinese communist. What is the >>> definition of communism? "All assets are a system shared by society." Is >>> it like this in China now? I have a Chinese colleague who owns more than >>> 20 properties, a private enterprise. Since Deng Xiaoping's black cat and >>> white cat, China has stopped pursuing communism. The current political >>> system in China is: socialism + meritocracy + local democracy + Confucian >>> values. The economic system is: a mixed market economy (state-owned >>> capital + private capital). Capitalism only recognizes one thing: profit. >>> It does not care about social welfare. But the powerful aspect of capital >>> is economic power, like a powerful engine. The American system, capital >>> first, is like a sports car without a brake system, so there are many rich >>> people, and many people live under the bridge. China uses a market economy >>> on the basis of socialism, which not only takes care of the poor, but also >>> allows capital to drive the economy. It is a car with an engine, a >>> steering wheel, and a brake system. China refers to the ancient imperial >>> examination system and promotes talents. A "big talk" like Trump cannot be >>> a leader in China. In addition, at the village level, the people have the >>> right to vote. Generally speaking, the whole system follows the Confucian >>> culture: loving the people, loyal to the country, loyal to one's post, >>> filial piety to the elders, and so on. >>> The Chinese system has a traditional side and an adaptive side. In >>> China, the people cannot change the government, but the system is always >>> changing. In the United States, people can change governments, but the >>> system remains the same. If you have to give the Chinese system an >>> acronym, I think it should be called Whateverworkism. >>> >>> Is the Chinese system the best in the world? It can only be said that >>> it is most suitable for China. The Nordic system is called Social >>> democracy. It is more successful in implementing democracy based on >>> socialist values because it suits them. The liberal democracy of world >>> powers such as the United States, Britain, France, and India is obviously >>> not good. Negativity, demonstrations, strikes, large gaps between the rich >>> and the poor. The biggest mistake of the world is that when the country >>> does not advance, it still sticks to its ideology and does not want to >>> change. It is ridiculous that the United States also wants to impose its >>> bad system on other countries. I have to admire the Chinese government. >>> Under the pressure of the world's ideology, it still insists on taking the >>> path that it thinks is correct. After the Tiananmen Square incident, the >>> Chinese government endured the humiliation and did not refute the rumors to >>> the outside world and made silent efforts. After the Hong Kong riots, we >>> learned that Tiananmen Square was actually done by the United States, and >>> it really felt unfair for the Communist Party. >>> >>> In human history, the rise of powers in the past, whether it is ancient >>> Greece, the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the Japanese Empire, Germany, >>> or the U.S., was accompanied by wars, casualties, colonization, plunder, >>> and slavery. In 1979, China’s per capita GDP was a bit lower than India’s, >>> and now it is five times that of India. China’s rise is greater than that >>> of any empire, but China has not sent a bullet to other countries for more >>> than 30 years. Not only that, but China's development has also driven the >>> global economy. China’s success lies in its: peace-based, people’s >>> interests, long-term planning, scientific management, results-oriented, and >>> a sense of crisis. Deng Xiaoping made some people rich first, and Xi >>> Jinping helped the poor. After two generations of leadership, China's >>> policy is still so coherent. This is the effect of scientific governance >>> of the country. Regardless of what is said outside, the achievements of >>> the Communist Party are facts before our eyes. >>> >>> For most of the past two thousand years, China was the strongest and >>> most advanced country in the world, but in the past two hundred years >>> because of opium, China missed the Industrial Revolution and was forced to >>> catch up. The IQ per capita in China is 105, and that of Westerners is >>> 95. China has a large population and is hardworking, no worse than >>> Westerners. Westerners now account for only 14% of the global population, >>> but they account for 56% of the world’s wealth. So it’s not difficult to >>> understand that when Westerners don’t like us, it means that we are doing >>> it right. >>> All Chinese children and grandchildren, come on! >>> >>> -- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >>> Grup. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke [email protected]. >>> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/BAE93D8B318F492988DF5A8353710CA3%40A10Live >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/BAE93D8B318F492988DF5A8353710CA3%40A10Live?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >>> Grup. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke [email protected]. >>> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CALcuTPQDc_1tepk2D2mZ_BuN%2BySidbBfGNG43kzKGocejDR8LA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CALcuTPQDc_1tepk2D2mZ_BuN%2BySidbBfGNG43kzKGocejDR8LA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> -- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >>> Grup. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke [email protected]. >>> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/1291225709.997205.1639465638965%40mail.yahoo.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/1291225709.997205.1639465638965%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >>> Grup. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke [email protected]. >>> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CAGjSX2Ax25pyBZ00ySZc6U72me4xGDLuOeo2BVn%3Dbg-VM3Yt9w%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CAGjSX2Ax25pyBZ00ySZc6U72me4xGDLuOeo2BVn%3Dbg-VM3Yt9w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >>> Grup. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke [email protected]. >>> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/FE610F92824B40DAB049309FAF9012DA%40A10Live >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/FE610F92824B40DAB049309FAF9012DA%40A10Live?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >> Anda menerima pesan ini karena berlangganan grup "GELORA45" di Google >> Grup. >> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >> kirim email ke [email protected]. >> Untuk melihat diskusi ini di web, kunjungi >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CALcuTPR7%3Div9h%2BJe02nYLwpau8z2BsyWGGLVSmB1_8Z_t5Wa6g%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gelora1945/CALcuTPR7%3Div9h%2BJe02nYLwpau8z2BsyWGGLVSmB1_8Z_t5Wa6g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "GELORA45" dari Google Grup. 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