Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-) From, Emily
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder <[email protected]> wrote: > So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to > discuss politics and religion? > > Fred > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue. > > > > Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate > > on > > strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects > > instead. > > > > Thank you > > > > -- > > Netha Hussain > > User: Netha Hussain > > Student of Medicine and Surgery > > *nethahussain.blogspot.com > > swethaambari.wordpress.com* > > > > > > remember that women's rights are way, way more important than > > the interests of Wikimedia Foundation. > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Ryan Kaldari > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Just wanted to say that I didn't take any offense from Michael's > >> comments. I was probably a bit out of line in my characterization of > >> Christianity. I was just trying to point out that any religion, when > >> taken literally, can be problematic. There were actually many books > >> published during the American Civil War about how the Bible endorsed > >> slavery. They make a convincing argument if you accept all of their > >> Bible quotes taken out of context. > >> > >> The part about women being subservient is actually quite pervasive in > >> the bible, both old and new testament. See: > >> 1 Peter 3:1-6 > >> 1 Timothy 2:11-14 > >> Colossians 3:18 > >> Ephesians 5:22-23 > >> 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 > >> 1 Corinthians 11:3-10 > >> Isaiah 19:16 > >> Deuteronomy 22:20-21 > >> Genesis 3:16 > >> Genesis 2:18 > >> This is certainly not a novel interpretation. Indeed it seems very > >> difficult to argue that the Bible does not consider women subservient > >> to > >> men. > >> > >> The part about beards is Old Testament and only taken seriously by > >> Orthodox Christians, Amish, Mennonites, etc. > >> > >> The part about putting adulterers to death is also Old Testament and > >> obviously not taken seriously by most Christians, although John Calvin > >> did argue that the Bible justified the death penalty for adultery (as > >> have other Christians historically). > >> > >> All that said, I am not trying to imply that modern Christianity is an > >> oppressive religion. I'm just saying that historically, it has a few > >> skeletons in its closet and it went through some serious growing pains, > >> as is Islam. > >> > >> Ryan Kaldari > >> > >> On 9/23/11 7:00 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote: > >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Emily > >> Monroe<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> >> Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and > >> potentially > >> >> uncivil. > >> > So Ryan and Carol can lie about MY religion, and I'M the one accused > >> > of incivility? > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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