whatever floats yer boat
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 20:25, Mat Branyon wrote:
> I've tried most of the popular distros as well, including debian. I
> would suggest debian for power users, and something like redhat for
> generic users. But for me, FREEBSD still rocks.
>
> Debian has apt-get, FreeBSD has ports. If i were forced to use a linux,
> it would be Debian.
>
> --mat
> http://locke.homeunix.org
> || The full impact of parenthood doesn't hit you until you multiply the
> number of your kids by 32 teeth.
>
> On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 02:07, Abbott Mujica wrote:
> > ive tried prolly most popular distros out there... they all have their
> > fine points... just depends what im doing with a computer... although i
> > like debian as a desktop, not a server
> >
> > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 18:46, Doug Riddle wrote:
> > > Abbott:
> > >
> > > I love Debian. As soon as I heard it was the "geeks"
> > > debian I had to try it. Then I found out how easy it
> > > was and wow! I loved it. I use Libranet, as everyone
> > > on the list is probably tired of hearing, but it fits
> > > my needs perfectly. Knoppix is awesome as well.
> > > However, the slogan is not mine.
> > >
> > > The slogan, Debian for World Domination, is of course
> > > the old tongue-in-cheek joke. It is also though the
> > > name of a group on Distributed Folding's site:
> > > (http://www.distributedfolding.org/teampages/team645.html)
> > > We are currently placed 218, out of 12,163 teams. Not
> > > too shabby!
> > >
> > > If you ever do that sort of thing (distributed
> > > computing, made famous by seti) then please consider
> > > joing Debian for World Domination. If not, contribute
> > > to the greater cause by using and talking about
> > > Debian!
> > >
> > > Debian is the future for Linux.
> > > If you don't believe me, lurk on the Libranet email
> > > list for a while.
> > >
> > > I am not a zealot. I am a user. I am working on
> > > being a contributor. I may be a pusher though.
> > >
> > > Doug Riddle
> > >
> > > --- Abbott Mujica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Abbott
> > > >
> > > > Debian user since.... now
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 17:50, Doug Riddle wrote:
> > > > > Would this be a bad time to say "Debian for world
> > > > > domination!"
> > > > >
> > > > > ;->
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > Debian user since 1999
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Abbott Mujica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > thats exactly what i was gonna do for teachin at
> > > > the
> > > > > > DOCE @ LSU!
> > > > > > lol sorry if ive been not postin...
> > > > > > im here!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 23:04, John Hebert wrote:
> > > > > > > Sue,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding to your
> > > > > > excellent email containing your
> > > > > > > suggestions for the CCCC Linux class. Busy
> > > > > > fighting new email client... :P
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've responded with comments interspersed in
> > > > your
> > > > > > original message below.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:45:45 -0600, Sue Smith
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At that meeting, I said I would send to the
> > > > list
> > > > > > some thoughts I had on
> > > > > > > > topics to cover, especially on finding
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > equivalents. All week at
> > > > > > > > work I've been jotting down ideas, I typed
> > > > them
> > > > > > up this evening, then
> > > > > > > > found that I'm probably taking the cake for
> > > > > > extreme wordiness. Okay, it
> > > > > > > > won't be the first prize I've gotten for
> > > > that,
> > > > > > so here goes my 5 1/2
> > > > > > > > cents' worth:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Suggestions for a curriculum for new Linux
> > > > > > users:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Start with simple easy things. Show them
> > > > early
> > > > > > on that they can get into
> > > > > > > > Linux and be productive without having to be
> > > > a
> > > > > > supergeek systems admin
> > > > > > > > or programmer and without having to totally
> > > > > > abandon Windows. (They may
> > > > > > > > arrive at any or all of those later on their
> > > > > > own.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Agreed. The suggestion was made that we use
> > > > > > Knoppix
> > > > > > > (http://www.knoppix.org/en) as the Linux
> > > > distro in
> > > > > > the class. A short
> > > > > > > description of Knoppix is that it is a
> > > > bootable CD
> > > > > > that runs Linux off of
> > > > > > > your CDROM drive without having to install
> > > > > > anything on your hard drive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can easily make copies of the Knoppix CDs
> > > > and
> > > > > > give them to class
> > > > > > > members, in return for a blank CD. The
> > > > students
> > > > > > can then take them home and
> > > > > > > try them out on their home PCs and possibly do
> > > > > > practice exercises.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Knoppix would allow the students to be
> > > > immediately
> > > > > > productive, as it has
> > > > > > > Open Office, Gimp, and many other tools,
> > > > games,
> > > > > > etc. It can even auto-
> > > > > > > detect network cards and modems and make it
> > > > easy
> > > > > > to connect to the
> > > > > > > Internet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there any comments on this idea? Unless I
> > > > hear
> > > > > > of a good reason not to
> > > > > > > use Knoppix as part of the classroom
> > > > materials, I
> > > > > > will assume it is
> > > > > > > mutually agreed upon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hold off on teaching how to install and
> > > > tweak
> > > > > > the OS until an
> > > > > > > > intermediate level or on a separate track
> > > > for
> > > > > > intermediate to advanced
> > > > > > > > users. Windows users nearly always buy a new
> > > > > > computer with the OS and a
> > > > > > > > lot of apps already installed. Let's get
> > > > them
> > > > > > productive as fast as
> > > > > > > > possible, then start installing things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Again, agreed. However, I am realizing it is
> > > > > > harder to teach the seemingly
> > > > > > > simpler concepts about Linux, and easier to
> > > > teach
> > > > > > the harder ones. :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think it would be best to start out with a
> > > > > > beginner's level class and
> > > > > > > guage the interest towards the end of the
> > > > classes
> > > > > > in a more advanced class.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I found two articles on the Internet in the
> > > > past
> > > > > > few days that give some
> > > > > > > > ideas for our classes and helping new users:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "How do I do (insert task here) in Linux?"at
> > > > > > > > http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/dtil/
> > > > > > > > <http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/dtil/>
> > > > .
> > > > > > This one has a new users
> > > > > > > > guide that is pretty well written.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Experiences in helping a new Linux user, at
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8221013471.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > <http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8221013471.html>
> > > > > > . This is
> > > > > > > > rather wordy, but illustrates how someone
> > > > who
> > > > > > knows and cares zip about
> > > > > > > > any OS can work happily in Linux with a
> > > > little
> > > > > > help from a mentor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I found these at
> > > > http://www.linuxdailynews.com/
> > > > > > > > <http://www.linuxdailynews.com/> . This
> > > > and
> > > > > > similar news sites would
> > > > > > > > be good to point out to students at all
> > > > levels
> > > > > > as a way of keeping
> > > > > > > > informed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Very good sites, and there are many others as
> > > > > > well. I like the idea of
> > > > > > > using existing content on the web as class
> > > > > > materials; it shows the class
> > > > > > > members that the Linux community is about
> > > > helping
> > > > > > each other and will
> > > > > > > encourage them to look for more information
> > > > and
> > > > > > answers to their questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another good resource to use in class is the
> > > > RUTE
> > > > > > Guide:
> > > > > > > http://rute.sf.net. Tim Fournet and I
> > > > discussed
> > > > > > the Linux class and the
> > > > > > > RUTE guide at length at Perk's recently and
> > > > > > determined that not all
> > > > > > > sections of the guide would be useful to
> > > > > > beginner's, but it still contains
> > > > > > > lots of useful material.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We even came up with a rough outline for the
> > > > > > class. You can view it at:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cccclinuxsig/files/sections.txt
> > > > > > >
> > > >
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