On Sat, 24 May 2003 21:03:01 -0500, will hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> On 2003.05.24 07:50 John Hebert wrote:
>> Agreed. My perception was that the scene was meant to remind us how we 
>> are different from machines, as the sex scene was juxtaposed with the 
>> big rave dance scenes in slow motion. Machines (AI) don't|can't 
>> experience ecstasy.
>
> I don't think he really left the Matrix.  That's why he was able to 
> "feel" the squids.  Zion looks more like this to me:
>
> http://rubens.anu.edu.au/student.projects/rodin/essay.html
>
> Every link is broken, but there are images and essays in the directory 
> that you can read.  Oh, I also hope that the author's friends don't look 
> like the people in Rodin's hell.
>
> If machines become intelligent, they must feel.  Without emotion there is 
> no reason to make a choice and a machine that can't make choices is not 
> intelligent.

Why is reason sufficient for intelligence? You open up some pretty large 
vistas for discussion here, and I definitely want to discuss them fully, 
but let's start small: GnuChess regularly kicks my ass by making choices, 
without "feeling" I assume, about how to move chess pieces. Please explain 
how this works based on your observation in the above paragraph.

-- 
John Hebert
System Engineer
I T Group, Inc. http://www.it-group.com

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