On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, David Jackson wrote:

> I think you've missed the point, Ray.  I think you have also mis-
> interpreted their AUP.  HavenCo is not about hiding data.  HavenCo is
> about housing and sharing data for customers that can't house or share
> that data, legally, in their own countries.  

I did mis-interpret their AUP.  Thanks for pointing that out.

> A perfectly legitimate use would be a useful technology that your
> country of origin doesn't care for you to distribute or share. 

You mean a technology that is illegal to distribute or share in your 
country of origin?

> A couple of real-life examples would be; the De-CSS code, or PGP
> encryption.  De-CSS was illegal to distribute or even own, but was very
> useful, for the purposes of legitimate backups.  PGP was forbidden from
> export.  

Good examples, but De-CSS is illegal to own or distribute in the US.  
Exporting PGP (at that time) was illegal.  The legality is not disputed.  
And the legitmate uses of that technology are irrelevant, as far as US law
is concerned. (note: i'm playing devil's advocate)

So i still contend that in order to participate in those activities while
in the US, you'd have to hide the evidence and your identity very well, as
John already suggested.  Alternatively, you could move to Sealand.

> This gives you the key to the co-location idea.  

I get the co-location idea.  Once there, the data is safe.  But what 
illegal activities did you participate in to get the data over there?

I'm still trying to think of a legitimate, perfectly legal use of HavenCo 
services.  I'd like to see what their current clients are doing with their 
HavenCo servers.

ray

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