On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 23:21 -0500, -ray wrote: > So i still contend that in order to participate in those activities while > in the US, you'd have to hide the evidence and your identity very well, as > John already suggested. Alternatively, you could move to Sealand.
>From what I have read, HavenCo made a lot of provisions towards protecting the identity of their clients. It's why you can't get a client list from them to this day (if they even have any clients left). Let's face it; if you need the services of a data haven, then odds are that you aren't going to mind bending a few rules.. It's a minor risk in exchange for a -lot- of freedom. > I get the co-location idea. Once there, the data is safe. But what > illegal activities did you participate in to get the data over there? I don't think it really matters how the data got over there. Sealand is not obliged to reveal any of that information. > I'm still trying to think of a legitimate, perfectly legal use of HavenCo > services. I'd like to see what their current clients are doing with their > HavenCo servers. > > ray I don't think that there are any useful, completely legitimate and perfectly legal purposes; in my mind, that's the whole point. The data haven allows you to skirt the law in your country of origin. That's all it needs to do. Unfortunately, that, in and of itself, isn't enough to sustain a business. >From my understanding, their largest clients were offshore gambling; which makes perfect sense. There are so many laws governing gambling, that a bookie service would thrive in such an environment. I don't think that there's any way to legitimize the entire process; at it's very roots, it's subversion of existing legal systems. It's saving grace is that it's primary -stated- goal is that it's about freedom, particulary of information, which I'm all for (legal or not). David
