--- David Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 23:21 -0500, -ray wrote:
> >From what I have read, HavenCo made a lot of
> provisions towards
> protecting the identity of their clients.  It's why
> you can't get a
> client list from them to this day (if they even have
> any clients left).

Here's a good article on this subject:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19107

> I don't think that there are any useful, completely
> legitimate and
> perfectly legal purposes; in my mind, that's the
> whole point.  The data
> haven allows you to skirt the law in your country of
> origin.  That's all
> it needs to do.

I disagree _very_ strongly with this point. There are
many perferctly legal reasons that I can think for
someone or some entity wanting to use HavenCo's
services. What about government criticism and dissent,
where that government's law enforcement feel it is
entitled to censorship? I'm sure there are quite a few
Chinese and Iranian dissidents who would like to host
their websites in a datacenter that won't respond to a
subpoena for upload logs.

Aren't you aware of the story about some of
Indymedia.org's servers getting seized?

http://indymedia.org/en/static/fbi

The question in my mind is: what if those servers were
hosted at HavenCo? Besides Indymedia being out of lots
of cash (HavenCo's business model/prices sucked),
would they have still been seized?

John


                
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