FWIW, this link was used by Sam during the discussion I referred to below - http://s.apache.org/QeN
Ralph On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > >> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>> >>> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at Trac. As >> long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork it >> without their permission. >> >> Eh? You ever read the "rules for revolutionaries" page? The basic concept >> is: don't try to force two communities into one; when separate visions for >> the project occur, then separate them. >> >> I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork, or a >> corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. We provide a >> temporary home in the Incubator to see if it can become a good, proper, and >> healthy Apache community. We don't turn them away a-priori based on their >> history. > > Greg, this seems to be so much B.S as it apparently serves some particular > interest you have. A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board > members several months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on > that is housed outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a > subproject. We were told that under no circumstances could we fork the code > without the "owner's" blessing, regardless of what the license allowed us to > do. To me, this answer is black and white. >> >> In my mind, the Trac core has slowed, and it needs revitalization and a new >> vision. Others may disagree, and do, and that's fine. But I don't think it >> is fine for us to make judgements of communities (or nascent ones!) who >> want to try something new. To pick up and go in a direction that others are >> not heading, or do not have the time to make. > > I have no idea what you are saying. You ARE making a judgement on a community > by saying it isn't active enough and deserves to be forked. Again, some of > your fellow board members have said the ASF isn't the place for that. > > Ralph >
