I’ve let the vote go on for a bit. I’d like to make sure we get a chance for final votes and comments and I will close it by tonight PT time.
Cheers, Antoine > On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Josh Fischer <j...@joshfischer.io> wrote: > > To build on what Dave is saying (from my experience at least) is projects > will enter the incubator and they tend to focus on building new features on > top of new features. Instead of focusing on how they can transfer that deep > knowledge of the system to anyone who is willing to learn. > > Getting those people to feel comfortable stepping up can be a challenge. > Making new comers (whoever they are) feel welcome to ask questions and > contribute on mailing list discussion, prs, code contributions, etc is the > most important part of building a self-sustaining community. > > > I’ll get off my soapbox now. > > - Josh > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:40 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > wrote: > >> Sorry for asking, >> >> but Dave, could you please explain that reply … admittedly I didn’t >> understand what you wanted to say >> (Guess I would consider it advanced English and I simply didn’t understand >> it). >> >> Chris >> >> From: Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> >> Date: Monday, 12. December 2022 at 06:19 >> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> >> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation >> Thanks. I think you are onto an idea of community that could be somehow >> explicitly part of the incubator’s curriculum. That’s a separate discussion. >> >> Best, >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 7:17 PM, Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I agree we don't need to hold the Tuweni graduation for the release >> checking. >>> But if we want to build a sustainable Open Source project, we still >>> need to pay lots of attention to community building. >>> >>> >>> Willem Jiang >>> >>> Twitter: willemjiang >>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:24 AM Antoine Toulme <anto...@toulme.name> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello folks, >>>> >>>> Apache Tuweni had a much smaller community when it started its >> incubation at Apache. The path of this project has been impacted by the >> domain it applies to and the pandemic certainly hasn't helped. Still it has >> managed to create enough momentum to make regular releases and check off >> all incubation checks. >>>> Community building is definitely still on the menu - right now and >> later as well. We will continue building and including folks. We have >> onboarded successfully multiple committers and have received contributions. >> I expect this trend to continue and mature. >>>> >>>> The question is whether the best place for us to continue growing is >> the incubator. The incubator adds additional checks on our releases and >> slows down our cycles, which has historically driven folks to fork and move >> away from the project. >>>> >>>> The incubator doesn't offer opportunities for community building, from >> what I know. We will need to continue to build our image and presence to >> attract contributors on our own. >>>> >>>> The project mentors have been nothing short of fantastic. They have >> been helpful in maturing the project. In my opinion, we are using their >> precious time when they should be engaged in helping other projects of the >> incubator. >>>> >>>> With this, I want to thank the incubator. We had a great experience >> building with you all. I personally believe we should free the incubator's >> time and attention to concentrate on other projects. I also believe the >> project is mature enough to function outside of the incubator. >>>> >>>> I vote +1 to graduate Tuweni from the incubator. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Antoine >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:37 PM, larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We have also recently seen long term incubating projects with >> considerable >>>>> adoption falter. >>>>> I consider the fact that they did not graduate early enough a >> contributing >>>>> factor here. >>>>> >>>>> Nothing wrong with incubation but staying in the incubator and >> encountering >>>>> attrition is different from TLP >>>>> with some churn with new folks coming into an official TLP project >> while >>>>> others can fall off in a healthy way. >>>>> >>>>> Again, having the community test and release 14 separate releases >>>>> demonstrates contributors in the community >>>>> even if they aren't all materially contributing code. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:45 AM Christofer Dutz < >> christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> And in the last few months the ASF has sadly seen enough cases, in >> which >>>>>> even big projects suffered from the lack of diversity. >>>>>> So, I would also consider this to be a blocker. >>>>>> >>>>>> Community building isn’t something that happens or comes for free. >>>>>> It’s actually hard work, but it needs to be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion on this topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 7. December 2022 at 02:59 >>>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation >>>>>> It looks like we need a dedicated community leader[1] to build a >>>>>> diverse community (just borrow a pattern from InnerSource Common[2]). >>>>>> >>>>>> " Communication takes up a significant percentage of a community >>>>>> leader's daily work. At the same time, he or she will likely also have >>>>>> to spearhead the initial development, too. In the face of limited >>>>>> capacity, inexperienced leaders will tend to focus on development and >>>>>> neglect communication. The barrier for potential contributors to make >>>>>> their first contribution and to commit to the community will be much >>>>>> higher if the community leader is hard to reach or is slow to respond >>>>>> to feedback and questions for lack of time." >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> >> https://github.com/InnerSourceCommons/InnerSourcePatterns/blob/main/patterns/2-structured/dedicated-community-leader.md#forces >>>>>> [2]https://innersourcecommons.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 AM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I see this as a blocker for graduation. >>>>>>> There was enough consensus and testing to spin and publish 14 >> releases. >>>>>>> There has been healthy conversation about this very topic among the >>>>>> mentors >>>>>>> and contributors on the private list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The nature of this project is that the consumption of these >> libraries are >>>>>>> going to get less traction while in incubation and a community may >> grow >>>>>>> larger as a TLP as confidence is instilled by that status. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Tuweni community has demonstrated the ability to publish releases >>>>>>> within that Apache Way and guidelines, has welcomed new contributors, >>>>>> etc. >>>>>>> The long term success will require a larger active community but I >> don't >>>>>>> think that needs to block graduation as the incubation goals have >> been >>>>>> met. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My 2 cents. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:41 PM Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Gang Li. The Bus factor[1] of this project is >> relatively >>>>>> high. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:06 PM li gang <lgcar...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I checked the contributions of the Tuweni project[1],the traffic of >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> mail list d...@tuweni.apache.org[2] and the KEYS[3]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It looks like the project is mainly maintained by Antoine Toulme >>>>>> self, >>>>>>>>> I have a concern this is not comply with the diversity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/graphs/contributors >>>>>>>>> [2]https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>> [3]https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/tuweni/KEYS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Antoine Toulme <toulm...@apache.org> 于2022年12月5日周一 15:14写道： >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community and IPMC members, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We discussed the graduation for Tuweni in the Apache Incubator >>>>>>>>>> Community [4], where no issues were raised and positive replies >>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> received. >>>>>>>>>> After having the graduation discussion in the Tuweni community >>>>>> [1], we >>>>>>>>>> have passed the vote within Tuweni community [2] and the vote >>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>> was published [3]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would like to start this voting thread to request graduating >>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>> Tuweni(incubating) from Apache Incubator as a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please provide your vote accordingly: >>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Yes, I support Tuweni project to graduate from the Apache >>>>>>>> Incubator. >>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 No opinion. >>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, the Tuweni project is not ready to graduate, because... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for participating in the vote. This vote will stay open >>>>>> for >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> least 72 hours. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is an overview of the Apache Tuweni(incubating) to help with >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> vote. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Community* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ● The PPMC is active, with PMC members voting for graduation along >>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> mentors. >>>>>>>>>> ● 6 new committers were added, bringing the total number of >>>>>> committers >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> 14 from 12 different >>>>>>>>>> organizations. >>>>>>>>>> ● The number of contributors is now 25 and growing. >>>>>>>>>> ● The dev@Tuweni mailing list currently has 33 subscribers [4]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Project* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ● Apache Tuweni (incubating) is a set of libraries and other tools >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> aid >>>>>>>>>> development of blockchain and other decentralized software in >>>>>> Java and >>>>>>>>>> other JVM languages. It includes a low-level bytes library, >>>>>>>> serialization >>>>>>>>>> and deserialization codecs (e.g. RLP), various cryptography >>>>>> functions >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> primitives, and lots of other helpful utilities. Tuweni is >>>>>> developed >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> JDK 11 or higher. >>>>>>>>>> ● Project maturity model and incubation status is detailed in [5] >>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni has been incubating [5] since 2019-02-25 for over 45 >>>>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community released a total of 14 Apache releases [6]. >>>>>>>>>> ● 331 pull requests created closed [7]. >>>>>>>>>> ● 76 issues created, and 46 issues closed [8]. >>>>>>>>>> ● The release cadence is about 3 months. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Brand, License, and Copyright* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ● We submitted an application for the brand [9] and it has been >>>>>>>>>> reviewed and approved. >>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community maintains project code on GitHub and all >> modules >>>>>>>>>> code is under Apache 2.0 license. We have reviewed all the >>>>>>>>>> dependencies and ensured they do not bring any license issues >> [10]. >>>>>>>>>> All the status files, license headers, and copyright are up to >>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni official website [11] is compliant with Apache Foundation >>>>>>>>>> requirements [12]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z3flpmqcss21xc8vmtwqqfs961p4g9t5 >>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/c04cmvfwh1wt2mxmc9zo89o6bnhm2xqk >>>>>>>>>> [3] >>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/8m4lq3k1v93m1k482syj7kn1ldb62665 >>>>>>>>>> [4] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> [5] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html >>>>>>>>>> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/releases >>>>>>>>>> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/pulls >>>>>>>>>> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/issues >>>>>>>>>> [9] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-167 >>>>>>>>>> [10] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/blob/main/LICENSE >>>>>>>>>> [11] https://tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> [12] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/tuweni >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Best Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC >>>>>>>>> Gang Li 李岗 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> lgcar...@apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > -- > Sent from A Mobile Device --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
