Folks, Thank you for your participation in the Apache Tuweni graduation vote.
The results are as follows: +1: 3 Antoine Toulme (binding), Larry Mccay (binding), Dave Fisher (binding) +0: 0 -1: 0 Thanks all! We will proceed to the next step of voting for a PMC chair and drafting a resolution for the board. Cheers, Antoine > On Dec 20, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Antoine Toulme <anto...@toulme.name> wrote: > > I’ve let the vote go on for a bit. I’d like to make sure we get a chance for > final votes and comments and I will close it by tonight PT time. > > Cheers, > > Antoine > >> On Dec 19, 2022, at 6:45 AM, Josh Fischer <j...@joshfischer.io> wrote: >> >> To build on what Dave is saying (from my experience at least) is projects >> will enter the incubator and they tend to focus on building new features on >> top of new features. Instead of focusing on how they can transfer that deep >> knowledge of the system to anyone who is willing to learn. >> >> Getting those people to feel comfortable stepping up can be a challenge. >> Making new comers (whoever they are) feel welcome to ask questions and >> contribute on mailing list discussion, prs, code contributions, etc is the >> most important part of building a self-sustaining community. >> >> >> I’ll get off my soapbox now. >> >> - Josh >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 2:40 AM Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry for asking, >>> >>> but Dave, could you please explain that reply … admittedly I didn’t >>> understand what you wanted to say >>> (Guess I would consider it advanced English and I simply didn’t understand >>> it). >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> From: Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> >>> Date: Monday, 12. December 2022 at 06:19 >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> >>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation >>> Thanks. I think you are onto an idea of community that could be somehow >>> explicitly part of the incubator’s curriculum. That’s a separate discussion. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dave >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 7:17 PM, Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I agree we don't need to hold the Tuweni graduation for the release >>> checking. >>>> But if we want to build a sustainable Open Source project, we still >>>> need to pay lots of attention to community building. >>>> >>>> >>>> Willem Jiang >>>> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 9:24 AM Antoine Toulme <anto...@toulme.name> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello folks, >>>>> >>>>> Apache Tuweni had a much smaller community when it started its >>> incubation at Apache. The path of this project has been impacted by the >>> domain it applies to and the pandemic certainly hasn't helped. Still it has >>> managed to create enough momentum to make regular releases and check off >>> all incubation checks. >>>>> Community building is definitely still on the menu - right now and >>> later as well. We will continue building and including folks. We have >>> onboarded successfully multiple committers and have received contributions. >>> I expect this trend to continue and mature. >>>>> >>>>> The question is whether the best place for us to continue growing is >>> the incubator. The incubator adds additional checks on our releases and >>> slows down our cycles, which has historically driven folks to fork and move >>> away from the project. >>>>> >>>>> The incubator doesn't offer opportunities for community building, from >>> what I know. We will need to continue to build our image and presence to >>> attract contributors on our own. >>>>> >>>>> The project mentors have been nothing short of fantastic. They have >>> been helpful in maturing the project. In my opinion, we are using their >>> precious time when they should be engaged in helping other projects of the >>> incubator. >>>>> >>>>> With this, I want to thank the incubator. We had a great experience >>> building with you all. I personally believe we should free the incubator's >>> time and attention to concentrate on other projects. I also believe the >>> project is mature enough to function outside of the incubator. >>>>> >>>>> I vote +1 to graduate Tuweni from the incubator. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Antoine >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2022, at 3:37 PM, larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We have also recently seen long term incubating projects with >>> considerable >>>>>> adoption falter. >>>>>> I consider the fact that they did not graduate early enough a >>> contributing >>>>>> factor here. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nothing wrong with incubation but staying in the incubator and >>> encountering >>>>>> attrition is different from TLP >>>>>> with some churn with new folks coming into an official TLP project >>> while >>>>>> others can fall off in a healthy way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, having the community test and release 14 separate releases >>>>>> demonstrates contributors in the community >>>>>> even if they aren't all materially contributing code. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:45 AM Christofer Dutz < >>> christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And in the last few months the ASF has sadly seen enough cases, in >>> which >>>>>>> even big projects suffered from the lack of diversity. >>>>>>> So, I would also consider this to be a blocker. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Community building isn’t something that happens or comes for free. >>>>>>> It’s actually hard work, but it needs to be done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my opinion on this topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, 7. December 2022 at 02:59 >>>>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Tuweni graduation >>>>>>> It looks like we need a dedicated community leader[1] to build a >>>>>>> diverse community (just borrow a pattern from InnerSource Common[2]). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " Communication takes up a significant percentage of a community >>>>>>> leader's daily work. At the same time, he or she will likely also have >>>>>>> to spearhead the initial development, too. In the face of limited >>>>>>> capacity, inexperienced leaders will tend to focus on development and >>>>>>> neglect communication. The barrier for potential contributors to make >>>>>>> their first contribution and to commit to the community will be much >>>>>>> higher if the community leader is hard to reach or is slow to respond >>>>>>> to feedback and questions for lack of time." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> >>> https://github.com/InnerSourceCommons/InnerSourcePatterns/blob/main/patterns/2-structured/dedicated-community-leader.md#forces >>>>>>> [2]https://innersourcecommons.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 9:51 AM larry mccay <lmc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I see this as a blocker for graduation. >>>>>>>> There was enough consensus and testing to spin and publish 14 >>> releases. >>>>>>>> There has been healthy conversation about this very topic among the >>>>>>> mentors >>>>>>>> and contributors on the private list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The nature of this project is that the consumption of these >>> libraries are >>>>>>>> going to get less traction while in incubation and a community may >>> grow >>>>>>>> larger as a TLP as confidence is instilled by that status. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Tuweni community has demonstrated the ability to publish releases >>>>>>>> within that Apache Way and guidelines, has welcomed new contributors, >>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> The long term success will require a larger active community but I >>> don't >>>>>>>> think that needs to block graduation as the incubation goals have >>> been >>>>>>> met. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My 2 cents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 7:41 PM Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Gang Li. The Bus factor[1] of this project is >>> relatively >>>>>>> high. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Willem Jiang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Twitter: willemjiang >>>>>>>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:06 PM li gang <lgcar...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I checked the contributions of the Tuweni project[1],the traffic of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> mail list d...@tuweni.apache.org[2] and the KEYS[3]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It looks like the project is mainly maintained by Antoine Toulme >>>>>>> self, >>>>>>>>>> I have a concern this is not comply with the diversity. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1]https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/graphs/contributors >>>>>>>>>> [2]https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> [3]https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/tuweni/KEYS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Antoine Toulme <toulm...@apache.org> 于2022年12月5日周一 15:14写道： >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Apache Incubator Community and IPMC members, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We discussed the graduation for Tuweni in the Apache Incubator >>>>>>>>>>> Community [4], where no issues were raised and positive replies >>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> received. >>>>>>>>>>> After having the graduation discussion in the Tuweni community >>>>>>> [1], we >>>>>>>>>>> have passed the vote within Tuweni community [2] and the vote >>>>>>> result >>>>>>>>>>> was published [3]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to start this voting thread to request graduating >>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>>> Tuweni(incubating) from Apache Incubator as a Top Level Project. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please provide your vote accordingly: >>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Yes, I support Tuweni project to graduate from the Apache >>>>>>>>> Incubator. >>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +0 No opinion. >>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, the Tuweni project is not ready to graduate, because... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for participating in the vote. This vote will stay open >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> least 72 hours. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here is an overview of the Apache Tuweni(incubating) to help with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> vote. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Community* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ● The PPMC is active, with PMC members voting for graduation along >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> mentors. >>>>>>>>>>> ● 6 new committers were added, bringing the total number of >>>>>>> committers >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> 14 from 12 different >>>>>>>>>>> organizations. >>>>>>>>>>> ● The number of contributors is now 25 and growing. >>>>>>>>>>> ● The dev@Tuweni mailing list currently has 33 subscribers [4]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Project* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ● Apache Tuweni (incubating) is a set of libraries and other tools >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> aid >>>>>>>>>>> development of blockchain and other decentralized software in >>>>>>> Java and >>>>>>>>>>> other JVM languages. It includes a low-level bytes library, >>>>>>>>> serialization >>>>>>>>>>> and deserialization codecs (e.g. RLP), various cryptography >>>>>>> functions >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> primitives, and lots of other helpful utilities. Tuweni is >>>>>>> developed >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> JDK 11 or higher. >>>>>>>>>>> ● Project maturity model and incubation status is detailed in [5] >>>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni has been incubating [5] since 2019-02-25 for over 45 >>>>>>>>>>> months. >>>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community released a total of 14 Apache releases [6]. >>>>>>>>>>> ● 331 pull requests created closed [7]. >>>>>>>>>>> ● 76 issues created, and 46 issues closed [8]. >>>>>>>>>>> ● The release cadence is about 3 months. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Brand, License, and Copyright* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ● We submitted an application for the brand [9] and it has been >>>>>>>>>>> reviewed and approved. >>>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni community maintains project code on GitHub and all >>> modules >>>>>>>>>>> code is under Apache 2.0 license. We have reviewed all the >>>>>>>>>>> dependencies and ensured they do not bring any license issues >>> [10]. >>>>>>>>>>> All the status files, license headers, and copyright are up to >>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>>> ● Tuweni official website [11] is compliant with Apache Foundation >>>>>>>>>>> requirements [12]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z3flpmqcss21xc8vmtwqqfs961p4g9t5 >>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/c04cmvfwh1wt2mxmc9zo89o6bnhm2xqk >>>>>>>>>>> [3] >>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/8m4lq3k1v93m1k482syj7kn1ldb62665 >>>>>>>>>>> [4] https://lists.apache.org/list.html?d...@tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> [5] https://incubator.apache.org/projects/tuweni.html >>>>>>>>>>> [6] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/releases >>>>>>>>>>> [7] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/pulls >>>>>>>>>>> [8] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/issues >>>>>>>>>>> [9] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-167 >>>>>>>>>>> [10] https://github.com/apache/incubator-tuweni/blob/main/LICENSE >>>>>>>>>>> [11] https://tuweni.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> [12] https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/tuweni >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> Best Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC >>>>>>>>>> Gang Li 李岗 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> lgcar...@apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> -- >> Sent from A Mobile Device > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
