David Duddleston wrote:
>
> Over the several years I have been lurking these forums, the topic of a
> shared library of common classes has been discussed several times and a few
> different attempts have been made to realize this goal, but all have either
> failed or fallen sort. Avalon is probably the closest project to supplying a
> useful set of library code, yet it lacks strong support from the community
> and only has a relatively small set of classes.
That could be - my problem when I went looking for things is that I
surmised that Avalon was some sort of framework, rather than a
collection of independent utilities. I got that idea because that is
what the avalon site says... Peter and others are aware that this is
often the perception.
>[SNIP]
>
> I have to side a little with Peter Donald on this, if you are serious about
> achieving this goal, then it is better to work with an existing project that
> is attempting to achieve some of the same goals.
I would agree 100%, because of the benefits of community, but it's not
clear to me what the Avalon goals are.
> By starting a new project
> is just the same as another subproject writing its own utility class even
> though there is already some code in another project that is closely
> related. If you feel strong that this needs to be a new project, then create
> your own informal group and come back a few months later with an established
> code base.
Maybe - but you can see the kind of things people are proposing we go
get (like asking if Poolman wants to be contributed) or things that
people are proposing be pushed into here, like the 'web connector'
subproject, and org.apache.tools.tar and org.apache.tools.mail from Ant
(I think).
So we seem to be attracting code bases already, may go out and solicit
existing ones from outside of Jakarta - if the value we add is to make
them easy to find, document them well, and be a community that supports
them *for their own sake*, then I think there is significant added
value.
> Just another rant.... Even after a few years, it still bugs me that license
> and copyright mark on each piece of Apache code is so darn long. Even a dog
> knows it only takes a few drops to marks its territory.
Try marking a lawyer. They seem to require more than a few drops.. :)
One thing I've seen is that people put it at the bottom, so it's out of
the way. Is there any legal implication regarding position?
geir
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