Peter and Jon, thanks for the feedback, sorry I didn't get a chance to respond sooner. 

A few comments: 

ASPizer is currently a production quality product, and in fact is being used on a live 
website in the UK. It was developed as a product by THBS, with the intention that we 
would sell it. However, due to various economic factors such as the decline in the ASP 
market and the recent difficulties in obtaining venture capital, we have decided that 
at this time it is not feasible for is to continue in that direction. 

We do think that ASPizer is an interesting product that has a strong synergy with some 
existing Apache technologies. We intend to continue to provide development support, 
and we have no problem to committing 3 developers in an ongoing basis. As far as 
getting an Apache "champion", I'm not sure how we go about that - I was hoping someone 
would be interested enough to follow up based on the proposal that we submitted. 

As far as the user community is concerned, we believe that there are two primary 
groups - 

1. ASP related companies, including ISVs developing for the ASP market, Aggregators 
who assemble packages of applications, and Hosting providers,

2. Corporate users that run internal IT in an ASP-like way, or who have external 
clients accessing their systems (we have had preliminary discussions with a couple of 
the latter). 

We would be able to support early-adopter clients during the initial period of the 
product being made available, we are willing to commit to at least two years. 

ASPizer may have some overlap with Turbine, but it is quite a different product. My 
understanding is that Turbine is basically a tool to help developers build web 
applications, whereas ASPizer is more of a platform extension. With ASPizer it is 
possible to configure an application to run in an ASP model, including security, 
billing and licensing, without actually changing the application at all (so in fact 
you can even "ASPize" a non-J2EE application), although using the APIs provides a much 
more granular set of facilities. We are also currently working on making ASPizer 
available as a set of web services. 

We will be happy to provide code and documentation for anyone who is interested in 
digging deeper. 

        Paul.

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Paul Ilechko
Principal Architect
Torry Harris Business Solutions
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul Ilechko
> Cc: Ranjit Mathew; Arnab Ghosh
> Subject: Re: Tomcat extensions for ASPs
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The general rule of thumb for this sort of thing is that the project must 
> have at least 3 developers involved and at least one "champion" 
> from Apache 
> to kickstart it. The reason for this is is that we need some way to 
> guarenteee that the project will be a success and that there will 
> still be 
> developers involved with in a years or twos time. So you need to 
> include this 
> sort of information in your proposal. 
> 
> It would also be good to contrast it with existing Apache 
> projects. ie How 
> does it compare to something like turbine?
> 
 


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