Tbanks for the constructive criticism, Jon.

Paul.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Ranjit Mathew; Arnab Ghosh
> Subject: Re: ASPizer
>
>
> on 10/15/01 11:15 AM, "Paul Ilechko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Peter and Jon, thanks for the feedback, sorry I didn't get a
> chance to respond
> > sooner.
> >
> > A few comments:
> >
> > ASPizer is currently a production quality product, and in fact
> is being used
> > on a live website in the UK. It was developed as a product by
> THBS, with the
> > intention that we would sell it. However, due to various
> economic factors such
> > as the decline in the ASP market and the recent difficulties in
> obtaining
> > venture capital, we have decided that at this time it is not
> feasible for is
> > to continue in that direction.
>
> We aren't a dumping ground for .bomb projects.
>
> > We do think that ASPizer is an interesting product that has a
> strong synergy
> > with some existing Apache technologies. We intend to continue to provide
> > development support, and we have no problem to committing 3
> developers in an
> > ongoing basis. As far as getting an Apache "champion", I'm not
> sure how we go
> > about that - I was hoping someone would be interested enough to
> follow up
> > based on the proposal that we submitted.
>
> Exactly.
>
> > As far as the user community is concerned, we believe that there are two
> > primary groups -
> >
> > 1. ASP related companies, including ISVs developing for the ASP market,
> > Aggregators who assemble packages of applications, and Hosting
> providers,
> >
> > 2. Corporate users that run internal IT in an ASP-like way, or who have
> > external clients accessing their systems (we have had
> preliminary discussions
> > with a couple of the latter).
> >
> > We would be able to support early-adopter clients during the
> initial period of
> > the product being made available, we are willing to commit to
> at least two
> > years.
>
> I'm confused. How can you commit two years when you can't get funding for
> your business?
>
> > ASPizer may have some overlap with Turbine, but it is quite a different
> > product. My understanding is that Turbine is basically a tool to help
> > developers build web applications, whereas ASPizer is more of a platform
> > extension. With ASPizer it is possible to configure an
> application to run in
> > an ASP model, including security, billing and licensing,
> without actually
> > changing the application at all (so in fact you can even
> "ASPize" a non-J2EE
> > application), although using the APIs provides a much more
> granular set of
> > facilities. We are also currently working on making ASPizer
> available as a set
> > of web services.
>
> The use of the term 'security' is very broad in your example.
>
> BTW, I wrote an ASPizer as well...it is called Noodle. LOL!
>
>     http://noodle.tigris.org
>
> :-)
>
> > We will be happy to provide code and documentation for anyone who is
> > interested in digging deeper.
>
> Good luck.
>
> :-)
>
> -jon
>
>
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