At 8:00 PM -0400 10/17/01, Scott Tacares wrote: >I don't care if he was here before time and space there is no excuse! He >does damage to the entire open source community with his crude and >unjustified remarks. It makes people shy away from participating in fear >that he may belittle them, this is just unacceptable! PERIOD! > >Two years ago, I decided that I would not ever contribute to any project >that jon was apart of because of his piss poor aptitude and judgment and to >this day I have not, which really sucks for me, because I want nothing more >then to so.
I'm generally just a lurker here, but I have to speak up here and say that I agree with this. I think Jon is USUALLY spot on with most of his opinions, but I'm not here to argue about if he's right or wrong about Apache-related business. My problem is that he's rude. He seems to go out of his way to be rude and to speak his opinions, no matter how correct, in a very harsh manner. He asks why people get defensive about what he says? That's because he's being OFFENSIVE. I also agree that I would never want to be actively involved in a project with him simply because his presence is a deterrent. Not everyone has as thick of a skin as others. This does not make them less valuable to the community, but it does make them less likely to want to speak an informed opinion if they think that Jon might be ready to jump on their head if he disagrees with them. This seems like a net loss all around. I believe it's possible for Jon to be just as useful to the Apache communities without him having to act in a way that's going to drive people away from him. Jon can manage to be both extremely informative as well as (relatively) polite. He made a post at 11:19AM PST that if he would have made at the beginning of this discussion, might have avoided this entire thread. Instead, he questioned the motives of the developer offering their code, implying that he was being selfish in wanting to have the Apache group take the project in. This was obviously not his intent, and to imply that his motivations were selfish is something I simply cannot understand. His main point that the project doesn't satisfy the requirements for being an Apache project is probably correct, but the manner he chose to point this out seemed hostile to me. Jon, it wouldn't kill you to be polite. If someone says or does something that you don't agree with, please consider taking a deep breath, having a beer, smoking a joint. Whatever. Just calm down and take a moment to word your response in a way that doesn't make you look like the list's resident ogre. If then, after your first polite reply, they still don't "get it" by all means, go in with guns blazing. Avi Cherry --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
