On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 14:47, Peter Donald wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > > Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? > > > > > > > > > > Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java > > > > > proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be > > > > > standardized? > > > > > > > > > > Are you looking towards .NET/C# as an alternative but still > > > > > optimistic about Java? > > > > > > > > Heck no. .NET/c# why would I want to use an even more proprietary > > > > thing to get back at SUN? Heck no. > > > > > > You sure it is more proprietary? I believe our PMC head actually sits as > > > head on one of the standardization efforts for C#s core libraries. With > > > the recent change to BSDL/MIT licensing with one of the opensource > > > runtimes things are starting to look interesting. > > > > Can I run it on Linux? Will a WORKING non-broken version ever run on > > Linux. > > yes. Thats its primary target. > > > > *if* there was an open, semi-stable platform then I am sure a fair chunk > > > of people would flock to it - especially if it is under a nice license > > > like MIT that both the BSD and GPL people seem to like. > > > > BUT THERE WON'T BE! > > you seem sure of yourself. I think there will be - many of the C people envy
I don't respond to personal attacks. > the java platform but few are willing to change languages and throw away > years of invested effort. Theres big companies contributing to the opensouece > version (which is why it is now MIT licensed). > Right, but what I mean is this: If you attempt to maintain compatibility with the MS version then you will always be behind, broken and stalled, if you don't then why start with what I imagine has baggage from COM and .NET etc. > > > If JDK1.5 comes out in time with all its very kool features I think Java > > > still has a fighting chance ... maybe. If the J2SE was opensourced then > > > it would almost win by default. However Sun is nowhere near as agile as > > > MS - still too much of a slow hardware company - so they will almost > > > certainly fall down in that area. > > > > So far I'm unimpressed with what has been added to 1.4 in the period of > > time its taken. Mostly "candy" no meat. > > er? Do you know whats in there ? NIO and decent accelerated GUI stuff is > enough to make it one of the best releases yet. > So the IO stuff made it? I heard it was pushed to 1.5! I've been running with 1.4 for testing purposes but haven't thoroughly studied it. I based my statement on what was SUPPOSED to be included so far as I know and what was pushed back etc. The good news is Java Generics got pushed back to 1.5. Sun still has time to rethink this crappy cop-out implementation. Couldn't care less about GUI stuff really. > -- > Cheers, > > Pete > > -------------------------------------------- > Sorry, I forgot to take my medication today. > -------------------------------------------- > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
