On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 20:07, Michael Lee wrote: > > So by your response I take it you don't know how I can submit a project to > jakarta? > > Did you even read the whole post? Keep the politics off the discussion > boards. Especially comments as such; > > "Not arguing with you here. (These discussion just provoke stupid > comments like that.)". I guess good grammar is not indicative of > intelligence. Besides, I was using sarcasm to make the point to help deflate > your oversided ego. > > Your smarter than all the developers on every App server and my comment is > stupid. Everyone that uses any J2EE technologies is a moron and your the > smartest person ever to exist. Ok, fine. Whatever you want. Your a winner. > Just keep the politics off the discussion thread.
Ok, I think something was misinterpreted. I don't think Aaron was trying to incite any hostilities, I think he was just pointing out that there are alternatives. Let's try this again. There are a couple of OS options when it comes to persistence layers. There are a couple at SF: player.sourceforge.net (Scott Ambler based) objectbridge.sourceforge.net (Ambler, ODMG compliant working on JDO) There is one within the Turbine project here that does a simple table -> object mapping called Torque and I believe there was discussion of another tool called Simper (sp?) that does something similiar and was brought up on the commons list. So you might want to contact some of these groups and see what you have compared with them and assess the situation. The most recent subprojects to be added to Jakarta were either sought after (Lucene, BCEL) or the person offering was very persistent in arguing their case and had an established project (POI). > I've never contributed to jakarta or any open source forum but thought I > would check it out and see what it's all about. With attitudes like this I'm > beginning to think this might be a mistake. You can't base your decision on a dialog consisting of a small handful of email messages. I think we just had a misunderstanding stick around for a while longer and see what we're like. You're just lucky Jon didn't get to you first ;-) http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jon.html > I run into enough egomaniacs in > my job without dealing with these assholes when I'm just trying to help out > the community for free. Why should I take shit when I'm not getting paid? We do it because we are part masochist, part capitalist and part altruist. You'll have to grow a thicker skin if you want to stick around. We're really not that bad. > This is exactly why politics should be off the forum. It's discouraging for > people that want to get involved. That's part of the game. This is largely a social forum so you have to deal with some of the personal issues along with technical ones. That's life at Jakarta. Welcome. > > >From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net > >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:26:37 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing my qualifications here is my response to Aaron's post whom I > >have > > > summarized with this one line from him; > > > "No matter what you try to do with EJB, I can provide a simpler, > >faster, > > > more scalable, and cheaper solution." > > > > > > >I was obviously overstating the matter. I guess I had too much wine. > >Ok. Let's be fair, 98% of what most people need from an appserver can be > >done in other ways. > > > >I think that comment was actually in reference to the specific features > >listed as beneficial about EJB. ? > > > > > Wow, you should start your own company. Your obviously much smarter > >than > > > the > > > 100 or so developers that make Weblogic or the 50 or so that make > >JBoss, > > > or > > > the ? 100 ? or so that make Websphere, etc. > > > >Not arguing with you here. (These discussion just provoke stupid > >comments like that.) > > > >You can make a Java Bean > > > container that can handle > > > > >clustering, > > > >Oh ya, weblogic clustering is so nice. You have to practically take > >down the entire cluster in 6.0 to update. > > > > >fail over, > > > >Got what I need in a load balancer and in JCS. There are some > >transactional failover features in appservers that are nice though. > > > > > caching, > > > >Got it: JCS > > > > > persistence, > > > >Got it: JDBC > > > > > transactional services, > > > >Got what I need in the JDBC. > > > > > security, etc. > > > >Got it: RBAC > > > > >better than all those people? > > > >Most of this can be done fairly simply and most people just don't need > >what the appserver vendors are selling. > > > >If you had said 2 phase commit, then I'd make concessions. > > > > >Wow, > > > your the man. > > > >Thanks. > > > > >If I could create a product by myself better than all those > > > people and create a billion dollar company I would. Seems stupid not > >to? > > > Kind of strange you call 'people' stupid > > > >Just to be clear. I never called anyone stupid. I never used the word. > >That was in the subject line that I replied to. I didn't notice it till > >someone else replied. I would have taken it out. (as I just did.) > > > >and claim you can do better than > > > these teams at creating this monumental amount of complex code > > > >No. I use a good amount of clear code. > > > > yet you > > > don't > > > do it, even though it could bring you great wealth? Ok then, how about > > > open > > > source? > > > >Oh, I am a contributor to a couple of Jakarta projects but have no > >intension of building an appserver. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Aaron > > > > > > > >-- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- jvz. 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