There are times when a scalable remoteable solution is necessary. 
Granted these are 1 in 100 projects, (or fewer).  Secondly, EJB is
purely a bad implementation of this.

I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on.  EJB/J2EE
bitch-fest is not something that has a logical conclusion.  I suggest
participation in the design and development of AltiRMI and AJB (sp on
both?) is a more productive discussion.  Slam EJB by getting something
far better up on Jakarta.

-Andy

On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 23:22, Aaron Smuts wrote:
> With EJB you complicate the deployment, slow down the performance and
> save nothing except looking for middleware modules.  Gee, I just don't
> know where I'd find a connection pool or a logger or a single phase
> transaction management system.  Good thing I have Weblogic to save me so
> much time.  I'm glad I only have to wait 5 minutes for the damn thing to
> restart.
> 
> I've migrated my current application out of EJB's (weblogic) because
> they do nothing but slow down the application and the development life
> cycle.  I don't like programming in xml and having to shutdown
> production to make patches.  The appserver specific deployment files
> make them unportable and vendor dependent.  Weblogic tries its best to
> lock you into T3 and its deployment.
> 
> For most modest transactional needs, you can out build and out perform
> any appserver using the JDBC.
> 
> You can't even get small result sets with reasonable performance using
> EJB.
> 
> No matter what you try to do with EJB, I can provide a simpler, faster,
> more scalable, and cheaper solution.
>  
> > 
> > 1) CTO (or some manager) gets the idea the EJBs are cool (after
> reading a
> > BEA press release) and decides that his team's next project will be
> done
> > using EJBs - without any thought as to whether EJBs are the correct
> tool
> > for the Job.
> >
> 
> Amen.
> 
> This is exactly the problem.  
> 
> Aaron
>   
> 
> 
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