I think its universally accepted that JSP sucks. I don't think anyone can hold an intelligent argument to the contrary (unless the "typical corporate developer" competency argument is used). That being said..I'm not sure this is the forum for such arguments. I'd like to invite you to the Triangle Java Users group lists www.trijug.org -- all are welcome. General Java discussion having nothing to do whatsoever with Jakarta really is more appropriate there then here.
-Andy On Sat, 2002-02-23 at 21:37, Aaron Smuts wrote: > > Hi: > > I wasn't trying to be political at all. I've just been frustrated by my > experiences with Weblogic, but I still use it: I generally off load > image type conversion and PDF generation to the appserver. > > Please don't take the argument so personally. > > I'm not an egomaniac and I wasn't trying to insult you personally in any > way. > > So, I'm driven to a bit of exaggeration and overstatement at times > especially when criticizing over-hyped technology like EJB. I've got > lots of problems with XML and JSP too, if anyone else wants to fight :) > > Cheers, > > Aaron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:07 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net > > > > > > So by your response I take it you don't know how I can submit a > project to > > jakarta? > > > > Did you even read the whole post? Keep the politics off the discussion > > boards. Especially comments as such; > > > > "Not arguing with you here. (These discussion just provoke stupid > > comments like that.)". I guess good grammar is not indicative of > > intelligence. Besides, I was using sarcasm to make the point to help > > deflate > > your oversided ego. > > > > Your smarter than all the developers on every App server and my > comment is > > stupid. Everyone that uses any J2EE technologies is a moron and your > the > > smartest person ever to exist. Ok, fine. Whatever you want. Your a > winner. > > Just keep the politics off the discussion thread. > > > > I've never contributed to jakarta or any open source forum but thought > I > > would check it out and see what it's all about. With attitudes like > this > > I'm > > beginning to think this might be a mistake. I run into enough > egomaniacs > > in > > my job without dealing with these assholes when I'm just trying to > help > > out > > the community for free. Why should I take shit when I'm not getting > paid? > > This is exactly why politics should be off the forum. It's > discouraging > > for > > people that want to get involved. > > > > > > >From: "Aaron Smuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "'Jakarta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: EJB = bad = MS.net > > >Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:26:37 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing my qualifications here is my response to Aaron's post whom > I > > >have > > > > summarized with this one line from him; > > > > "No matter what you try to do with EJB, I can provide a simpler, > > >faster, > > > > more scalable, and cheaper solution." > > > > > > > > > >I was obviously overstating the matter. I guess I had too much wine. > > >Ok. Let's be fair, 98% of what most people need from an appserver can > be > > >done in other ways. > > > > > >I think that comment was actually in reference to the specific > features > > >listed as beneficial about EJB. ? > > > > > > > Wow, you should start your own company. Your obviously much > smarter > > >than > > > > the > > > > 100 or so developers that make Weblogic or the 50 or so that make > > >JBoss, > > > > or > > > > the ? 100 ? or so that make Websphere, etc. > > > > > >Not arguing with you here. (These discussion just provoke stupid > > >comments like that.) > > > > > >You can make a Java Bean > > > > container that can handle > > > > > > >clustering, > > > > > >Oh ya, weblogic clustering is so nice. You have to practically take > > >down the entire cluster in 6.0 to update. > > > > > > >fail over, > > > > > >Got what I need in a load balancer and in JCS. There are some > > >transactional failover features in appservers that are nice though. > > > > > > > caching, > > > > > >Got it: JCS > > > > > > > persistence, > > > > > >Got it: JDBC > > > > > > > transactional services, > > > > > >Got what I need in the JDBC. > > > > > > > security, etc. > > > > > >Got it: RBAC > > > > > > >better than all those people? > > > > > >Most of this can be done fairly simply and most people just don't > need > > >what the appserver vendors are selling. > > > > > >If you had said 2 phase commit, then I'd make concessions. > > > > > > >Wow, > > > > your the man. > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > > >If I could create a product by myself better than all those > > > > people and create a billion dollar company I would. Seems stupid > not > > >to? > > > > Kind of strange you call 'people' stupid > > > > > >Just to be clear. I never called anyone stupid. I never used the > word. > > >That was in the subject line that I replied to. I didn't notice it > till > > >someone else replied. I would have taken it out. (as I just did.) > > > > > >and claim you can do better than > > > > these teams at creating this monumental amount of complex code > > > > > >No. I use a good amount of clear code. > > > > > > yet you > > > > don't > > > > do it, even though it could bring you great wealth? Ok then, how > about > > > > open > > > > source? > > > > > >Oh, I am a contributor to a couple of Jakarta projects but have no > > >intension of building an appserver. > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. 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